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Old 09-09-2019, 09:05 PM   #251
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Re: *** September 2019 High Stakes Thread ***

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You don't get sarcasm do you
Lol oops
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Old 09-09-2019, 09:06 PM   #252
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Re: *** September 2019 High Stakes Thread ***

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But if he were cheating why would he take a break and stop, and add a major layer of suspicion? Pokerstars can now detect whatever real time solver he was using?
I'm wondering if a real-time solver is still within the realm of possibilities, or are accused cheaters/botters/whatnot just using pre-solved equilibriums?

E.g. if you solve for (52 combinatorics 3) flops * [most single raised HU pots in 6-max, let say 180 situations] + (52 nCr 3) * [most common 3-bet HU pots, 180] + same for 4-bet = ~11.934.000, so roughly 12 million pre-generated solutions needed for common spots. On rare spots you'd have to rely your intuition (and possibly labwork them to your solution database later.)

E: Only one way to settle tho. Fiilimies vs LLinus LIVE POKER hu4rollz

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Old 09-09-2019, 09:16 PM   #253
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just a low- mid stakes player but i do remember linuslove saying in that triton interview that he didnt study but just started grasping theory. that always sounded like bullshit when players would move up and claim they didnt study. you cant get that good without hours and hours of study.
this is so out of context i have to reply

the question from triton was if I had to study more than others to move up and my answer was something like "not necesarily study more, but understand the theory behind what you're studying better"
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Old 09-09-2019, 09:33 PM   #254
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PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 - 3 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit

Stefan11222 (BU): $10,150.00 (102 bb)
pokerkluka (SB): $17,266.40 (173 bb)
LLinusLLove (BB): $11,087.47 (111 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($150)
Stefan11222 (BU) raises to $244, 1 fold, LLinusLLove (BB) calls $144

Flop: ($538) 4 K 9 (2 players)
LLinusLLove (BB) checks, Stefan11222 (BU) bets $401.25, LLinusLLove (BB) calls $401.25

Turn: ($1,340.50) 2 (2 players)
LLinusLLove (BB) checks, Stefan11222 (BU) bets $2,006.25, LLinusLLove (BB) calls $2,006.25

River: ($5,353) T (2 players)
LLinusLLove (BB) checks, Stefan11222 (BU) bets $7,498.50 (all-in), LLinusLLove (BB) calls $7,498.50

Total pot: $20,350 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
Stefan11222 (BU) shows 6 4 (a pair of Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 18%, Turn: 11%, River: 0%)

LLinusLLove (BB) shows 9 A (a pair of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 89%, River: 100%)

LLinusLLove (BB) wins $20,347
sooooooooo Linus what's the theory behind this call
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Old 09-09-2019, 09:50 PM   #255
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this is so out of context i have to reply

the question from triton was if I had to study more than others to move up and my answer was something like "not necesarily study more, but understand the theory behind what you're studying better"
But you won’t respond to allegations you are or were cheating?
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Old 09-09-2019, 09:53 PM   #256
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Let me give my 2cents to this accusation


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LLinusLLove is a cheater. This is my opinion and i have no definite proof.
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Although me and fellow high stakes pros think the same and most of us have reported him.
Claiming something like this without naming your "fellow high stakes pros" and without them publicly agreeing to this doesn't mean anything. I doubt regs who play with me a lot would agree to your statement

I believe the only guy i accused for cheating is OBORRA and only after the 2+2 posts i made about him did he get banned.

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Some years ago this new guy popped to high stakes nlhe games. His nickname was LLinusLLove. This guy used to play very loose agressive and while playing decently good he would be making tons of clear mistakes and spews.
You make it sound like I appeared out of nowhere. I've played 1m+ hands at 200z and started crushing 500z before moving up to 1k/2kNL

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Overnight he started to tank every decision from preflop to river, even on spots where there was very clear decision.
First off, if I started tanking all of a sudden overnight, can you be a little more precise than "overnight"?
What does a "very clear decision mean"? Am I supposed to just snap shove the river with SPR <1 on the river IP with the nuts just because I have an easy decision? Has it ever occured to you that some people like to think about their strategy and not just snap easy decisions and tank hard decisions?


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Very soon he was considered to be best player in the world - by far. Soon no one would play him.
After playing highstakes for 2 years approximately, yes

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He was doing bunch of weird stuff that seemed not normal but every time i would put them into solver it appeared they were 100% perfectly played.
This is just straight up an empty accusation


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Out of tens of thousands of hand i played with him i could not spot a slightest mistake.
If by "mistake" you mean a 0% play in a reasonable pio-sim, this again cannot be true. But still I have no idea what sort of time frame you are accusing me of using software, but if you do (which at this point I'm not even sure about), please do send me those hand histories and I will find "mistakes".
This is the same thing that alarmed me with OBORRA. In every sport the best of the best still make bunch of mistakes all the time. These guys just would not do a single mistake - ever.

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After while of not playing and coming back to tables i have seen that he has stopped tanking and all of the sudden he is only your average reg at the table. Also on statname it appears his red line is not going up anymore and his win rate has gone down. Regs can spot playstyle changes easily and apparently many people have also noticed changes after and before his tanking.
You are claiming there has been a timeframe where I have been clearly tanking every decision and playing "perfectly" during that timeframe without providing any sort of reference point. When did this all begin, when did it end? Again "many people" just are words too. Who were these people? Why are they not speaking up in this thread?

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Also one thing worth pointing out is that even when playing nl 20k ring games he would never play a single hand of heads up. I used to chase him out of partypoker 6-max lobbies because table starters there would have to play heads up and he wouldn't play a hand of that format. Overnight he started to play hu and instantly was best in the world at that format. Also some pros have messaged me about him crushing highest stakes plo overnight, but about this i am out of the loop.
Again you're saying "some pros messaged me" without naming anyone and giving no reference to your bold accusations.
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I would hope that stars would review his play style and decision making time and compare it to what it was before and after tanking every decisio
n.

I am almost certain stars is doing that already

I'm not sure how ethic it is to accuse somebody without definite proof, but having lost 100's of thousands to banned cheaters in poker is slowly driving me nuts. Also i'd like to make it clear that only time i accused someone of cheating was when i reported OBORRA in some of the previous high stakes threads. And people would tell me "he just studies harder than you guys".
I tried to regard your points as objectively as possible. On a more subjective level I think it is completely out of line to make such a bold accusation without any references / evidence or anything of the matter on a public forum, where most people that read this thread aren't playing highstakes and will just believe stuff like that because another highstakes regular posted it.

Posts like these severely hurt my reputation unjustly..

I also want to add that fili and me haven't even played a lot hands together lifetime, especially not heads-up.

I'd happily play anyone who calls me a cheater heads-up on webcam or I'd even be willing to play them while recording myself as long as the stakes are high enough
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Old 09-09-2019, 09:58 PM   #257
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I'd happily play anyone who calls me a cheater heads-up on webcam or I'd even be willing to play them while recording myself as long as the stakes are high enough
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:07 PM   #258
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Re: *** September 2019 High Stakes Thread ***

Can someone embed this for me?

This is a tribute to Linus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSVDcw6iW8
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:21 PM   #259
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Re: *** September 2019 High Stakes Thread ***

you know **** is gonna go wild when it starts with "this is my opinion and I have no definite proof"
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:21 PM   #260
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you can just look at fili's instagram to know he looooves attention
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:39 PM   #261
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Can someone embed this for me?

This is a tribute to Linus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSVDcw6iW8
ooh nice throwback jam, forgot about this one
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:53 PM   #262
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Re: *** September 2019 High Stakes Thread ***

Finally some action itt
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:55 PM   #263
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Re: *** September 2019 High Stakes Thread ***

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Linus showing off

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 - 6 players
Rail Hand History Converter

MrLeeQ (UTG): $28141.12 (281 bb)
Fiilismies (MP): $12106.38 (121 bb)
Bit2Easy (CO): $4000 (40 bb)
MunEZ_StaRR (BU): $15432.11 (154 bb)
Iimitless (SB): $11856.88 (119 bb)
LLinusLLove (BB): $48086.02 (481 bb)

Pre Flop: ($150)
3 folds, MunEZ_StaRR (BU) raises to $225, 1 fold, LLinusLLove (BB) 3-bets to $1150, MunEZ_StaRR (BU) calls $925

Flop: ($2350) Q 8 2 (2 players)
LLinusLLove (BB) bets $234.95, MunEZ_StaRR (BU) calls $234.95

Turn: ($2819.90) 7 (2 players)
LLinusLLove (BB) bets $703.62, MunEZ_StaRR (BU) calls $703.62

River: ($4227.14) 3 (2 players)
LLinusLLove (BB) bets $4222.06, MunEZ_StaRR (BU) calls $4222.06

Total pot: $12671.26 (Rake: $5)

Showdown:
LLinusLLove (BB) shows 9 9 (a flush, Queen high)
MunEZ_StaRR (BU) mucks
LLinusLLove (BB) wins $12666.26

what a play. is this solver or human solver?
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:56 PM   #264
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Re: *** September 2019 High Stakes Thread ***

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PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 - 3 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit

Stefan11222 (BU): $10,150.00 (102 bb)
pokerkluka (SB): $17,266.40 (173 bb)
LLinusLLove (BB): $11,087.47 (111 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($150)
Stefan11222 (BU) raises to $244, 1 fold, LLinusLLove (BB) calls $144

Flop: ($538) 4 K 9 (2 players)
LLinusLLove (BB) checks, Stefan11222 (BU) bets $401.25, LLinusLLove (BB) calls $401.25

Turn: ($1,340.50) 2 (2 players)
LLinusLLove (BB) checks, Stefan11222 (BU) bets $2,006.25, LLinusLLove (BB) calls $2,006.25

River: ($5,353) T (2 players)
LLinusLLove (BB) checks, Stefan11222 (BU) bets $7,498.50 (all-in), LLinusLLove (BB) calls $7,498.50

Total pot: $20,350 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
Stefan11222 (BU) shows 6 4 (a pair of Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 18%, Turn: 11%, River: 0%)

LLinusLLove (BB) shows 9 A (a pair of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 89%, River: 100%)

LLinusLLove (BB) wins $20,347
I also wondered why and how you made this call when I saw this hand. Is it because you unblock spades? His bluffs which you also unblock get there otr. No turned fd to add bluffing combos

Would loveeee to know the thought process in making the decision to click call.

I don't play on stars but from the hands i've read this stefan guy guy does seem to over bluff so maybe that played into your decision as well?

Thanks in advance
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Old 09-09-2019, 11:30 PM   #265
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Re: *** September 2019 High Stakes Thread ***

Linus must have found a way to embed a real-time solver in his head for live poker as well, seeing as most of his lines and sizes from Triton events were consistent with pio. Truly a genius at cheating.
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Old 09-09-2019, 11:55 PM   #266
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Wow, a 65k break even stretch, unheard of!
Ty for posting that
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Old 09-10-2019, 12:04 AM   #267
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Linus must have found a way to embed a real-time solver in his head for live poker as well, seeing as most of his lines and sizes from Triton events were consistent with pio. Truly a genius at cheating.
You beat me to it
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Old 09-10-2019, 12:08 AM   #268
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or do you think mmasherdog has a higher winrate than that bumhunting?
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Old 09-10-2019, 12:17 AM   #269
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you're wrong about standard deviation, also I put an outrageous winrate which he probably doesn't have, if someone with a 12bb winrate can be so unlucky as to possibly break even then someone like mma who is probably closer to 3-4bb can definitely break even over this hand sample
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Old 09-10-2019, 12:19 AM   #270
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don't let this drama distract you from the fact that MMAsherdog is losing this year :d
trying to distract the good people from the interesting matters eh, i see what tricks u r up to, llinus
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Old 09-10-2019, 12:26 AM   #271
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trying to distract the good people from the interesting matters eh, i see what tricks u r up to, llinus
I ran it thru a solver thats the GTO move...
LL confirmed bot, MMA confirmed fish, iDaniels confirmed goat.
Great thread this month.
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Old 09-10-2019, 12:35 AM   #272
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to be fair he probably up a lot from untracked euro sites, and coaching sites of course
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Old 09-10-2019, 12:37 AM   #273
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To Linus:

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Old 09-10-2019, 01:05 AM   #274
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MMA making courses because he isn't a winning player anymore like BencB is more interesting than some bs linus accusation anyway
Ye man totally! Now create ur own thread where u can share all the personal grudges ur holding cus no one gives a **** about it here

Kthxbye
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Old 09-10-2019, 04:01 AM   #275
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PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 - 4 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit

Iimitless (UTG): $13,741.14 (137 bb)
GiveMeUP (BU): $10,892.50 (109 bb)
MrLeeQ (SB): $12,055.24 (121 bb)
niabios (BB): $3,748.50 (37 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($150)
1 fold, GiveMeUP (BU) raises to $225, MrLeeQ (SB) 3-bets to $1,000, 1 fold, GiveMeUP (BU) calls $775

Flop: ($2,100) 5 2 8 (2 players)
MrLeeQ (SB) bets $692.01, GiveMeUP (BU) raises to $1,950, MrLeeQ (SB) calls $1,257.99

Turn: ($6,000) Q (2 players)
MrLeeQ (SB) checks, GiveMeUP (BU) checks

River: ($6,000) 6 (2 players)
MrLeeQ (SB) bets $9,105.24 (all-in), GiveMeUP (BU) calls $7,942.50 (all-in)

Total pot: $21,885 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
MrLeeQ (SB) shows A J (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 70%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 7%, River: 0%)

GiveMeUP (BU) shows J Q (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 30%, Flop: 18%, Turn: 93%, River: 100%)

GiveMeUP (BU) wins $21,882





PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 - 3 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit

Iimitless (BU): $13,301.65 (133 bb)
GiveMeUP (SB): $19,647.35 (196 bb)
MrLeeQ (BB): $14,752.46 (148 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($150)
1 fold, GiveMeUP (SB) calls $50, MrLeeQ (BB) raises to $400, GiveMeUP (SB) calls $300

Flop: ($800) 7 T Q (2 players)
GiveMeUP (SB) checks, MrLeeQ (BB) bets $263.01, GiveMeUP (SB) calls $263.01

Turn: ($1,326.02) A (2 players)
GiveMeUP (SB) checks, MrLeeQ (BB) bets $1,323.02, GiveMeUP (SB) raises to $4,260.12, MrLeeQ (BB) raises to $14,089.45 (all-in), GiveMeUP (SB) calls $9,829.33

First River: ($29,504.92) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($29,504.92) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $29,504.92 (Rake: $3)

First Showdown: Board: 7 T Q A Q

MrLeeQ (BB) shows A 8 (two pair, Aces and Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 58%, Flop: 51%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

GiveMeUP (SB) shows J K (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 42%, Flop: 49%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

GiveMeUP (SB) wins $14,750.96

Second Showdown: Board: 7 T Q A 5

MrLeeQ (BB) shows A 8 (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 58%, Flop: 51%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

GiveMeUP (SB) shows J K (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 42%, Flop: 49%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

GiveMeUP (SB) wins $14,750.96





PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 - 3 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit

MrLeeQ (BU): $14,739.83 (147 bb)
Iimitless (SB): $10,100.00 (101 bb)
niabios (BB): $3,386.62 (34 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($150)
MrLeeQ (BU) raises to $220, Iimitless (SB) 3-bets to $1,100, 1 fold, MrLeeQ (BU) calls $880

Flop: ($2,300) T 8 6 (2 players)
Iimitless (SB) bets $2,397, MrLeeQ (BU) raises to $13,639.83 (all-in), Iimitless (SB) calls $6,603 (all-in)

Turn: ($20,300) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($20,300) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20,300 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
MrLeeQ (BU) shows 4 A (three of a kind, Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 33%, Flop: 46%, Turn: 25%, River: 0%)

Iimitless (SB) shows J J (a full house, Eights full of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 67%, Flop: 54%, Turn: 75%, River: 100%)

Iimitless (SB) wins $20,297
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