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"forms part of a GTO hunl strategy."

part?

is that a guess?

I did not know that anyone even knew what a GTO strategy was. Nice to see that nvg has it all figured out.

09-15-2013 , 05:22 PM

#1352

czechvengeance

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,800

wow wcg with sick K high call
also guy above me: learn to ****ing read if you're gonna be sarcastic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamsym2

He will be balancing his limp range with some bad hands, some good hands and hands that have good board coverage of different flops.

It's pretty unorthodox but raptor used to do this back in 07/08 or whenever and he was at the time probably top 5 hunl guys on the internet.

Sauces game in general is pretty different from most peoples but he obviously thinks limping a certain % of your range from the button forms part of a GTO hunl strategy. Generally if someone as smart/good at poker who works so hard on his game does this there is a large % chance he's right.

09-15-2013 , 05:23 PM

#1353

The Logic of Sense

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,273

Wow, sick call.

09-15-2013 , 05:23 PM

#1354

Vanilla Thunder

NVG All-Star

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16,783

WCG time bank called. Sick call.

Full Tilt Poker, Holdem NL - $100/$200 - 2 players
HSDB Parser v2.2 - Highstakesdb.com - Hand #1354073

WCGRider (BU/SB): $152008.04 (760 bb)
Sauce1234 (BB): $18551.25 (93 bb)

Pre Flop: ($300)
WCGRider (BU/SB) raises to $480, Sauce1234 (BB) 3-bets to $1440, WCGRider (BU/SB) calls $960

Flop: ($2880) 9

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) checks, WCGRider (BU/SB) bets $2000, Sauce1234 (BB) calls $2000

Turn: ($6880) J

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) checks, WCGRider (BU/SB) bets $4000, Sauce1234 (BB) calls $4000

River: ($14880) A

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) bets $11111.25 (all in), WCGRider (BU/SB) calls $11111.25

Total pot: $37102.5 (Rake: $0.5)

Showdown:

WCGRider (BU/SB) shows T K
(Equity - pre: 65%, flop: 48%, turn: 68%, river: 100%)

Sauce1234 (BB) shows 6 5
(Equity - pre: 35%, flop: 52%, turn: 32%, river: 0%)

WCGRider (BU/SB) wins $37102

09-15-2013 , 05:24 PM

#1355

CliffLee

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,005

K high call by Rider, to a river jam, on table 5.

09-15-2013 , 05:26 PM

#1356

Vanilla Thunder

NVG All-Star

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16,783

Full Tilt Poker, Holdem NL - $100/$200 - 2 players
HSDB Parser v2.2 - Highstakesdb.com - Hand #1354074

WCGRider (BU/SB): $170558.8 (853 bb)
Sauce1234 (BB): $20000 (100 bb)

Pre Flop: ($300)
WCGRider (BU/SB) raises to $480, Sauce1234 (BB) 3-bets to $1440, WCGRider (BU/SB) calls $960

Flop: ($2880) K

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) bets $1789, WCGRider (BU/SB) calls $1789

Turn: ($6458) J

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) checks, WCGRider (BU/SB) bets $4400, Sauce1234 (BB) raises to $16771 (all in), 1 fold

Total pot: $15258 (Rake: $0.5)

Sauce1234 (BB) collects $15257.5

09-15-2013 , 05:33 PM

#1357

Vanilla Thunder

NVG All-Star

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16,783

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

34 minutes played, 149 hands played.

Code:

WCGRider 149 hands +$40,458
Sauce1234 149 hands -$40,498

1h 20 minutes played, 348 hands played.

Code:

WCGRider 348 hands +$48,260
Sauce1234 348 hands -$48,353

1h 54 minutes played, 480 hands played.

Code:

WCGRider 480 hands +$46,195
Sauce1234 480 hands -$46,322

3h 2 minutes played, 818 hands played.

Code:

WCGRider 818 hands +$79,588
Sauce1234 818 hands -$79,804

3h 35 minutes played, 972 hands played.

Code:

WCGRider 972 hands +$133,636
Sauce1234 972 hands -$133,889

4h 13 minutes played, 1154 hands played.

Code:

WCGRider 1154 hands +$155,702
Sauce1234 1154 hands -$156,003

4h 48 minutes played, 1338 hands played.

Code:

WCGRider 1338 hands +$101,532
Sauce1234 1338 hands -$101,880

5h 32 minutes played, 1583 hands played.

Code:

WCGRider 1583 hands +$111,622
Sauce1234 1583 hands -$112,040

09-15-2013 , 05:35 PM

#1358

Testi

Taking care of business

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 16,545

09-15-2013 , 05:37 PM

#1359

CliffLee

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,005

Testi, are downloading the hands into PT?

09-15-2013 , 05:39 PM

#1360

Vanilla Thunder

NVG All-Star

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16,783

Full Tilt Poker, Holdem NL - $100/$200 - 2 players
HSDB Parser v2.2 - Highstakesdb.com - Hand #1354080

WCGRider (BU/SB): $162423.54 (812 bb)
Sauce1234 (BB): $28129.75 (141 bb)

Pre Flop: ($300)
WCGRider (BU/SB) raises to $480, Sauce1234 (BB) calls $280

Flop: ($960) T

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) checks, WCGRider (BU/SB) checks

Turn: ($960) K

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) bets $782, WCGRider (BU/SB) calls $782

River: ($2524) 2

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) bets $6122, WCGRider (BU/SB) calls $6122

Total pot: $14768 (Rake: $0.5)

Showdown:

WCGRider (BU/SB) shows 5 K
(Equity - pre: 59%, flop: 60%, turn: 82%, river: 100%)

Sauce1234 (BB) shows 7 J
(Equity - pre: 41%, flop: 40%, turn: 18%, river: 0%)

WCGRider (BU/SB) wins $14767.5

09-15-2013 , 05:40 PM

#1361

SW_Kaizer

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,192

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) checks, WCGRider (BU/SB) bets $2000, Sauce1234 (BB) calls $2000

Turn: ($6880) J

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) checks, WCGRider (BU/SB) bets $4000, Sauce1234 (BB) calls $4000

River: ($14880) A

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) bets $11111.25 (all in), WCGRider (BU/SB) calls $11111.25

Total pot: $37102.5 (Rake: $0.5)

Showdown:

WCGRider (BU/SB) shows T K
(Equity - pre: 65%, flop: 48%, turn: 68%, river: 100%)

Sauce1234 (BB) shows 6 5
(Equity - pre: 35%, flop: 52%, turn: 32%, river: 0%)

WCGRider (BU/SB) wins $37102

wow

09-15-2013 , 05:41 PM

#1362

Vanilla Thunder

NVG All-Star

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16,783

Full Tilt Poker, Holdem NL - $100/$200 - 2 players
HSDB Parser v2.2 - Highstakesdb.com - Hand #1354081

Sauce1234 (BU/SB): $101725.5 (509 bb)
WCGRider (BB): $31697.3 (158 bb)

Pre Flop: ($300)
Sauce1234 (BU/SB) calls $100, WCGRider (BB) raises to $640, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) 3-bets to $2020, WCGRider (BB) 4-bets to $6000, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) calls $3980

Flop: ($12000) J

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) bets $4000, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) calls $4000

Turn: ($20000) 7

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) checks, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) checks

River: ($20000) 2

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) checks, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) bets $91725.5 (all in), 1 fold

Total pot: $20000 (Rake: $0.5)

Sauce1234 (BU/SB) collects $19999.5

09-15-2013 , 05:46 PM

#1363

Vanilla Thunder

NVG All-Star

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16,783

Pretty cool hand by Sauce.

Full Tilt Poker, Holdem NL - $100/$200 - 2 players
HSDB Parser v2.2 - Highstakesdb.com - Hand #1354084

Sauce1234 (BU/SB): $25485.75 (127 bb)
WCGRider (BB): $165064.54 (825 bb)

Pre Flop: ($300)
Sauce1234 (BU/SB) raises to $600, WCGRider (BB) 3-bets to $2200, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) calls $1600

Flop: ($4400) 8

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) bets $2600, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) raises to $5981, WCGRider (BB) calls $3381

Turn: ($16362) 8

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) checks, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) checks

River: ($16362) J

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) bets $5200, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) raises to $17304.75 (all in), 1 fold

Total pot: $26762 (Rake: $0.5)

Sauce1234 (BU/SB) collects $26761.5

09-15-2013 , 05:49 PM

#1364

Vanilla Thunder

NVG All-Star

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16,783

Full Tilt Poker, Holdem NL - $100/$200 - 2 players
HSDB Parser v2.2 - Highstakesdb.com - Hand #1354085

Sauce1234 (BU/SB): $112335.3 (562 bb)
WCGRider (BB): $21371.5 (107 bb)

Pre Flop: ($300)
Sauce1234 (BU/SB) raises to $600, WCGRider (BB) 3-bets to $2200, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) calls $1600

Flop: ($4400) K

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) bets $2200, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) calls $2200

Turn: ($8800) 5

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) bets $4000, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) calls $4000

River: ($16800) 9

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) bets $12971.5 (all in), 1 fold

Total pot: $16800 (Rake: $0.5)

WCGRider (BB) collects $16799.5

09-15-2013 , 05:49 PM

#1365

SW_Kaizer

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,192

Testi can you post any preflop stats on them? Curious to know how much they are 3/4Bin seems pretty agro so far

09-15-2013 , 05:52 PM

#1366

_PokerStudent_

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 265

Quote:

Originally Posted by czechvengeance

also guy above me: learn to ****ing read if you're gonna be sarcastic

Yes, I realised this. My point still stands. As great as these guys are, they do not know or play anywhere near GTO (unless a fluke), as no one knows what GTO looks like.

In a few years time, these guys will be over taking by the next top players. Happens every few years. No one stays at the top for very long at NLH.

09-15-2013 , 05:52 PM

#1367

Christ, De 'Berg!

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,966

Thanks for EV graph, love it

09-15-2013 , 05:53 PM

#1368

Vanilla Thunder

NVG All-Star

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16,783

Full Tilt Poker, Holdem NL - $100/$200 - 2 players
HSDB Parser v2.2 - Highstakesdb.com - Hand #1354087

WCGRider (BU/SB): $33850 (169 bb)
Sauce1234 (BB): $99854.8 (499 bb)

Pre Flop: ($300)
WCGRider (BU/SB) raises to $480, Sauce1234 (BB) calls $280

Flop: ($960) 7

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) checks, WCGRider (BU/SB) checks

Turn: ($960) A

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) bets $762, WCGRider (BU/SB) calls $762

River: ($2484) 4

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) bets $1782, WCGRider (BU/SB) raises to $8800, Sauce1234 (BB) 3-bets to $98612.8 (all in), 1 fold

Total pot: $20084 (Rake: $0.5)

Sauce1234 (BB) collects $20083.5

09-15-2013 , 05:53 PM

#1369

CoronalDischarge

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 574

Haha Sauce has now pulled out every line in the playbook with that river bet-3bet (on more or less a blank), seems like it anyway.

09-15-2013 , 05:54 PM

#1370

Testi

Taking care of business

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 16,545

Quote:

Originally Posted by SW_Kaizer

Testi can you post any preflop stats on them? Curious to know how much they are 3/4Bin seems pretty agro so far

Sorry I can't

09-15-2013 , 05:56 PM

#1371

CoronalDischarge

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 574

^Wouldn't mind seeing the updated graph with red line

09-15-2013 , 05:58 PM

#1372

Vanilla Thunder

NVG All-Star

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16,783

Full Tilt Poker, Holdem NL - $100/$200 - 2 players
HSDB Parser v2.2 - Highstakesdb.com - Hand #1354090

Sauce1234 (BU/SB): $15952.25 (80 bb)
WCGRider (BB): $48295.75 (241 bb)

Pre Flop: ($300)
Sauce1234 (BU/SB) raises to $600, WCGRider (BB) calls $400

Flop: ($1200) 7

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) checks, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) bets $789, WCGRider (BB) calls $789

Turn: ($2778) 2

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) checks, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) bets $3322, WCGRider (BB) calls $3322

River: ($9422) 7

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) checks, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) bets $6142, WCGRider (BB) calls $6142

Total pot: $21706 (Rake: $0.5)

Showdown:

Sauce1234 (BU/SB) shows 5 5
WCGRider (BB) mucks

Sauce1234 (BU/SB) wins $21705.5

09-15-2013 , 06:01 PM

#1373

Vanilla Thunder

NVG All-Star

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16,783

This is getting crazy.

Full Tilt Poker, Holdem NL - $100/$200 - 2 players
HSDB Parser v2.2 - Highstakesdb.com - Hand #1354091

WCGRider (BU/SB): $151467.25 (757 bb)
Sauce1234 (BB): $39076.05 (195 bb)

Pre Flop: ($300)
WCGRider (BU/SB) raises to $480, Sauce1234 (BB) 3-bets to $1440, WCGRider (BU/SB) 4-bets to $4000, Sauce1234 (BB) calls $2560

Flop: ($8000) Q

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) checks, WCGRider (BU/SB) checks

Turn: ($8000) T

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) bets $5982, WCGRider (BU/SB) calls $5982

River: ($19964) 8

(2 players)
Sauce1234 (BB) bets $12091, WCGRider (BU/SB) calls $12091

Total pot: $44146 (Rake: $0.5)

Showdown:

WCGRider (BU/SB) shows A J
(Equity - pre: 61%, flop: 5%, turn: 18%, river: 100%)

Sauce1234 (BB) shows 9 Q
(Equity - pre: 39%, flop: 95%, turn: 82%, river: 0%)

WCGRider (BU/SB) wins $44145.5

09-15-2013 , 06:02 PM

#1374

Vanilla Thunder

NVG All-Star

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16,783

Full Tilt Poker, Holdem NL - $100/$200 - 2 players
HSDB Parser v2.2 - Highstakesdb.com - Hand #1354092

Sauce1234 (BU/SB): $25368.75 (127 bb)
WCGRider (BB): $38878.25 (194 bb)

Pre Flop: ($300)
Sauce1234 (BU/SB) raises to $600, WCGRider (BB) calls $400

Flop: ($1200) K

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) checks, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) bets $789, WCGRider (BB) calls $789

Turn: ($2778) Q

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) checks, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) bets $2143, WCGRider (BB) calls $2143

River: ($7064) 3

(2 players)
WCGRider (BB) checks, Sauce1234 (BU/SB) bets $10922, WCGRider (BB) calls $10922

Total pot: $28908 (Rake: $0.5)

Showdown:

WCGRider (BB) shows Q 8
(Equity - pre: 69%, flop: 80%, turn: 73%, river: 100%)

Sauce1234 (BU/SB) shows T 8
(Equity - pre: 31%, flop: 20%, turn: 27%, river: 0%)

WCGRider (BB) wins $28907.5