Phil Ivey is the goat and any other discussions are a waste of time.

I suspect he was reference his card room in Houston. Still calling it a casino is a huge stretch. Plus how much he even owns of it, I don’t know.

If your still playing poker 30 years after you started or whatever it is, your not the GOAT. Your not even close.

The GOATS don't even play poker anymore. They crushed the games and invested the money and retired and travel the world.

Anyone still playing is washed up is what they are.

You’re*, you’re*, you’re*

So who’s the GOAT in your opinion?

There is no single GOAT.

If you weren't good enough to make enough in the boom and the many fading years after to move on to other things and therefore you still have to play poker, your sure as **** not the goat.

Think you guys are confusing GOATS with degens.

Confirmed Dan Colman GOAT

My meter isn't working too well today. Sarcasm or Stupidity?

Or, now hear me out, some people WANT to keep playing and don’t feel like they HAVE to play poker?

I think that begs the question...how often can someone win a tournament if they are not running well? Has it ever happened?

Yes. Jamie Gold won on skill and nothing else.

Clearly stupidity.

Mathematicians, Game theorists, guys like that will tell you that nobody runs any better than anyone else, and then they will take great pleasure in explaining the "Hot Hand Fallacy" to you, using just slightly more technical jargon than the average layman is comfortable with.

The truth is that the distribution of good hands, good starting cards, good flops etc among a group of players over an extended period of time is not best expressed on a grid. Rather, quality hand distribution among players is best described with a bell-curve. You can be sure that a guy like Seidel is much farther to the right of the curve than we are.

Stupidest comment in this thread, and that is quite an achievement!

If this is the level of discourse that this forum has descended to then I guess the only appropriate response is that I am rubber and you are glue, everything you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.

The actual GOAT (Tony G) just won a short deck event at the Super High Roller

From a mod, no less. Leading by example as always!

According to the winners of most tournaments, yes. They usually overcame lots of bad beats and running poorly with brilliantly timed moves and aggression despite holding no good cards the whole tournament.

One of the few times we get to see the real names of players is when they cash in a WSOP Online event. Should be standard for all online play.

Legit claim to never falling out of the top ten (since making it in) tournament players active nlhe.

Seidel has 38 Million in winnings; Hellmuth has 25 million.

Seidel plays and wins in super high rollers; Hellmuth is too scared to play.

Seidel dominates in cash games; Hellmuth is a fish.

Seidel wins online; Hellmuth can't.

Seidel knows theory and math: Hellmuth doesn't.

Seidel also knows white magic.

Who's the GOAT?

major dissonance in giving hellmuth a crown over seidel

Siedel is the GOAT, but where is the evidence of him crushing cash games?

Why does it always have to be 'GOAT' and not just 'one of the ...' or HOFer?

PHell 'wants' to be known as the best, he's somewhat driven by the lack of respect. But then you have Players like Ivey, Mercier, Bonomo, 'the Germans' and maybe even Grinder (certainly Coleman as well) that just choose to live a different life that doesn't rack up the stats required for GOAT status or even consideration.

Remember GOAT is supposedly only one person, but then again it also comes with stipulations that can create a whole herd of Players who qualify under slightly differing conditions. Variants, cash, online, live, field size, BI levels and longevity are some 'top' variables in this discussion.

Siedel has certainly shown up for this Series .. and just happened to bink online, not live. Do we now hold that 'for' him or 'against' him? Could be what this thread is for ..

From what I've seen on streams or what not, he's not really a 'poker' Player, but he's one hell of a 'card' (situation) Player. A one-man solver before solvers (without the tanking that BGreen needed). Sure he has his bluffs, but it's just HOFer type of 'card' playing that has made him very successful over many years. It may be why he's not into cash very much .. he's too frugal with his chips and still considers cash chips to be money IMO to be a 'great' cash Player, but then maybe he's also decided (with his wife) that playing hours of cash just isn't what he needs to be doing.

I don't like GOAT discussions .. but ES is definitely a HOFer and 'one of the' GOAT. GL

As one of the guys who paid Barry for this statement...."Lol donkuments"

Yep he blew it but it was for a good cause.

At the end of day 1, Seidel is second in chips in the WSOP $50K high roller, trailing only Addamo, who may not be the tournament GOAT but certainly is the GN (greatest now), with something like $6.5 million in tournament cashes and multiple high roller firsts this year alone so far.