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Old 01-28-2017, 10:04 AM   #151
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it's just funny to read "rec's" posts, where they blame regs for making poker tough and at the same time they want changes that would make pools softer so that they can make money easily without putting effort in learning to play. and they call it making poker fun again. such a hypocrisy and sanctimony of dnegs level.
The hypocrisy is when regs complain about Stars making a change that will allow casino players comps/rakeback on their play. If you don't believe me you can find it here on twoplustwo somewhere where poker regs are complaining that incentivizing players to play casino games with comps is a bad idea almost insinuating that PokerStars should protect those players from playing those negative edge games.. In the probable truth most casual players probably have a lower expected loss rate in those casino games and it's hilarious anyway that poker regs would argue that PokerStars should protect them from those negative edge games and also d-incentivize them from playing those games by giving them zero comps on their play there.

My God. So many dumb regs on twoplustwo it's ridiculous. I guess I'm more familiar with gambling for fun because I grew up in the United States before the poker boom. You know when guys use to get together and play random dealer choice games like ACEY DUCY while drinking beer and someone would almost always leave in the hole yet it would be a fun night.

So many GTO, stat nerds now. No offense but some players don't really give a sh*t about that and would like to just try and replicate a fun night at the local casino. Sadly most of you regs are too dumb to realize that and only looking out for your own self interest.

Sorry for any ill directed language as I've been drinking a few beers but open your eyes to another perspective please and understand that not all players are playing poker for the same reason as you.
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:10 AM   #152
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The hypocrisy is when regs complain about Stars making a change that will allow casino players comps/rakeback on their play.
complain about forcing poker players to play casino to get any rakeback (like 888 poker). also, mixing poker with casino kills all efforts to justify poker as a game of skill
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In the probable truth most casual players probably have a lower expected loss rate in those casino games
and deposits last longer, lee jones, log in pls
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So many GTO, stat nerds now. No offense but some players don't really give a sh*t about that and would like to just try and replicate a fun night at the local casino
yeah, every nerd has to suck your dick to have a privilege to play poker with you.

i call it gamblers phenomenon: gambler is happy to lose thousands to a casino in -ev game, but when it comes to lose 10 bucks in fair competition with other people u gonna pour out every drop of your **** on "gto nerds" and blame them for learning to play poker better.

and if poker would really become unbeatable gambling sh*t u would play it with a happy smile on your face even if lose faster than in casino. and u would eat all the lies about improving players experience from pokerstars. if you really wanted to have fun playing poker, u would choose limits that would not hurt your bankroll or play money, but u r a brain-dead gambler who wants to play BIG and when you get wrecked u blame everyone but not yourself.
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:43 AM   #153
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Learning how to play is not the same as learning how to use a script.
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people says seat me kill games ate ftp, but games was always running in small stakes, pokerstars are doing the first good thing for the game in years and reg tables won't dry because of that

ppl threat recreational players all as donkies making absurd assumptions but this change will allow players to get a seat just as in live tables
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Old 01-28-2017, 01:19 PM   #154
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open 12-16 tables and watch out for short stacks, shallow stacks, players without auto top up. Close all other tables - Profit
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Old 01-28-2017, 02:31 PM   #155
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wow really surprise with all this hate with eastern europeans countries, always thought most players will enjoy worldwide player pool, see lots of russian maniacs not sure ban countries is good for the game, always think the other way
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Old 01-28-2017, 03:11 PM   #156
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it's just funny to read "rec's" posts, where they blame regs for making poker tough and at the same time they want changes that would make pools softer so that they can make money easily without putting effort in learning to play. and they call it making poker fun again. such a hypocrisy and sanctimony of dnegs level.
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Old 01-28-2017, 03:23 PM   #157
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and those pesky asians should be segregated too, they are too good at calculations, right?
right?
Right now having Asian players is good, because only the rich people seem to have access to poker, but do you know what would happen if all the poor people in China or India would find out about online poker? Hell would break lose. If pools aren't segregated once this happens poker will be dead for anyone who wants/has to make more than 1k a month. Because those people will be able to outstarve us.

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get on stars and 888, plenty of russian fish..

problem is sites like party, ipoker,microgaming/wpn allowing and facilitating bots.
While it is true that there are some russian fish on 888/Stars the rec:reg ratio is still nowhere close to those of western countries. Also keep in mind that those mostly get lost in the mid-highstakes games where you are probably playing, please take a look at NL50-200, it is full of russians and none of them are losing players.

I don't like the idea, but honestly I don't see any other way to save online poker.
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Old 01-28-2017, 04:48 PM   #158
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complain about forcing poker players to play casino to get any rakeback (like 888 poker). also, mixing poker with casino kills all efforts to justify poker as a game of skill



and deposits last longer, lee jones, log in pls



yeah, every nerd has to suck your dick to have a privilege to play poker with you.



i call it gamblers phenomenon: gambler is happy to lose thousands to a casino in -ev game, but when it comes to lose 10 bucks in fair competition with other people u gonna pour out every drop of your **** on "gto nerds" and blame them for learning to play poker better.



and if poker would really become unbeatable gambling sh*t u would play it with a happy smile on your face even if lose faster than in casino. and u would eat all the lies about improving players experience from pokerstars. if you really wanted to have fun playing poker, u would choose limits that would not hurt your bankroll or play money, but u r a brain-dead gambler who wants to play BIG and when you get wrecked u blame everyone but not yourself.


He actually made a really good post and you just proved what a clown you are with your response

Recs ie your customers want to HAVE FUN first and maybe win money 2nd. Yes it's the opposite of what you want but Is that so hard to get through your thick self involved head.

Raise the rake again. I'd rather the sites got all the money than the 1000s of low stakes grinder life-losers that are destroying poker

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Old 01-28-2017, 04:56 PM   #159
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He actually made a really good post and you just proved what a clown you are with your response

Recs ie your customers want to HAVE FUN first and maybe win money 2nd. Yes it's the opposite of what you want but Is that so hard to get through your thick self involved head.

Raise the rake again. I'd rather the sites got all the money than 1000s of low stakes grinder life-losers like u
I can agree with you recs who play live poker want to have fun first where you can socialize, but when it comes to online where there isn't any socialization, recs rather win money first cause if you are winning its always fun.
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Old 01-28-2017, 06:07 PM   #160
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Should have been done years and years ago, at latest in summer 2015 when it was one of the things that came out the 3rd party software consultation.

For SNGs / tournaments - I don't see in general why it's necessary to show who's already registered in a tournament before it runs. Just remove that info pane from the lobby altogether - for all of them, not just HU.

Thinking out loud, one issue in policing all this will be off-site coordination by players. Whether blatant or soft. If the strongest HUSNG player in the .es pool tweets "going to be playing some $100 HU SNGs on @Pokerstars in 20 minutes, watch on Twitch!" and the others stop playing till he's gone then that's obviously acceptable but defeats the object a bit. Slightly more dodgy would be if they had tacit agreements about hunting at certain times. They can also just see who's playing and sit out if there is a strong player.

In more active pools then Sharkystator style coordination dripping the registrations in is the potential issue but IMHO policeable by technical means.

Or for example a 6-max SNG stake when there are 6 regs playing (as evidenced by SNGs starting with all regs) then the weaker regs may drop out to leave room for for a mark. What if they coordinate it with a Skype chat etc.

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HImagine a player pool consisting of 2 top regs, 15 bad/breakeven regs and 20 fish. Now if for whatever reason all 15 bad/breakeven regs leave the site do you really think 2 top regs will manage to take more money from 20 fish then 2 top regs+15 bad/breakeven regs?
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Old 01-28-2017, 07:31 PM   #161
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I can agree with you recs who play live poker want to have fun first where you can socialize, but when it comes to online where there isn't any socialization, recs rather win money first cause if you are winning its always fun.


True in today's game, but in 2005-2007 when I started playing online was definitely fun with loads of social interaction. Most of it friendly
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Old 01-28-2017, 07:35 PM   #162
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True in today's game, but in 2005-2007 when I started playing online was definitely fun with loads of social interaction. Most of it friendly
true, if stars really did care about the recs, max 4 tables per person but that will hurt their bottom line so thats a no go.
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Old 01-28-2017, 08:20 PM   #163
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True in today's game, but in 2005-2007 when I started playing online was definitely fun with loads of social interaction. Most of it friendly
On PKR there was even in 2015 still lots of interaction, chatting, trashtalking etc.
Then they joined MPN 2 years ago. I highly doubt anyone plays there anymore.
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it's just funny to read "rec's" posts, where they blame regs for making poker tough and at the same time they want changes that would make pools softer so that they can make money easily without putting effort in learning to play. and they call it making poker fun again. such a hypocrisy and sanctimony of dnegs level.

In fairness poker players are great at destroying and sucking the fun out of their own games
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Old 01-28-2017, 09:13 PM   #165
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Raise the rake again. I'd rather the sites got all the money than the 1000s of low stakes grinder life-losers that are destroying poker
i've just told the real reason why poker is gonna be dead as a game of skill soon. cause life-winners like you don't want to be poker players, u prefer a role of a sheep in a pasture
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Old 01-28-2017, 09:15 PM   #166
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complain about forcing poker players to play casino to get any rakeback (like 888 poker). also, mixing poker with casino kills all efforts to justify poker as a game of skill

and deposits last longer, lee jones, log in pls

yeah, every nerd has to suck your dick to have a privilege to play poker with you.

i call it gamblers phenomenon: gambler is happy to lose thousands to a casino in -ev game, but when it comes to lose 10 bucks in fair competition with other people u gonna pour out every drop of your **** on "gto nerds" and blame them for learning to play poker better.

and if poker would really become unbeatable gambling sh*t u would play it with a happy smile on your face even if lose faster than in casino. and u would eat all the lies about improving players experience from pokerstars. if you really wanted to have fun playing poker, u would choose limits that would not hurt your bankroll or play money, but u r a brain-dead gambler who wants to play BIG and when you get wrecked u blame everyone but not yourself.
The difference is when they lose to the casino it's a fun gamble and they get treated well.when they lose to other players in poker it's usually to boring nits who often treat them like garbage.for some reason this is so hard for some many on here to understand.theres a reason casinos wine and dine their customers.

It's not the being worse or losing that bothers a lot of fish .Like omg wow you play poker all the time and can beat a guy who plays for fun.big ****ing deal.it is the way they're treated at the tables both live and online that often chases them away.
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Old 01-28-2017, 09:22 PM   #167
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In fairness poker players are great at destroying and sucking the fun out of their own games
i've experienced playing with some aggro-recs, who kept the table on lockdown, making smart bluff and bluffcatches, get 10 stacks from tilting nits in an hour. these guys gave me insight that the fun is all in your hands. hate nits? exploit them and have your fun. can't do that? then don't blame others that they don't want to play idiotic push/fold with you
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Old 01-28-2017, 09:22 PM   #168
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The difference is when they lose to the casino it's a fun gamble and they get treated well.when they lose to other players in poker it's usually to boring nits who often treat them like garbage.for some reason this is so hard for some many on here to understand.theres a reason casinos wine and dine their customers.

It's not the being worse or losing that bothers a lot of fish .Like omg wow you play poker all the time and can beat a guy who plays for fun.big ****ing deal.it is the way they're treated at the tables both live and online that often chases them away.
qft, so many whiny nits and negative nancy in live poker which is a huge turnoff for recs. Recs just want to have fun while losing a bit of money but they get so much negative energy when they get lucky and win a bit.
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Old 01-28-2017, 09:29 PM   #169
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i've experienced playing with some aggro-recs, who kept the table on lockdown, making smart bluff and bluffcatches, get 10 stacks from tilting nits in an hour. these guys gave me insight that the fun is all in your hands. hate nits? exploit them and have your fun. can't do that? then don't blame others that they don't want to play idiotic push/fold with you
i dont think he means tougher game are bad(not fun) games, hes saying negative people are ruining the fun for recs.
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it is the way they're treated at the tables both live and online that often chases them away.
i used to see disrespectful behaviour from regs towards recs in 2008-2012 but nowadays i see only recs talking bad things towards regs and recs.

also i can't understand why hypocrisy (wine and dine their customers) is better since casinos look at every rec as dummy who comes again and again to waste his money in -ev games. they just love to see their customers leaving broke. it's like smn mugged ypu, does it really matter was he polite or not?
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i used to see disrespectful behaviour from regs towards recs in 2008-2012 but nowadays i see only recs talking bad things towards regs and recs.

also i can't understand why hypocrisy (wine and dine their customers) is better since casinos look at every rec as dummy who comes again and again to waste his money in -ev games. they just love to see their customers leaving broke. it's like smn mugged ypu, does it really matter was he polite or not?
comparing getting rob and losing money to casino is totally different, you win sometimes but if you get rob you lose every time.
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Old 01-28-2017, 10:04 PM   #172
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My God. So many dumb regs on twoplustwo it's ridiculous. I guess I'm more familiar with gambling for fun because I grew up in the United States before the poker boom. You know when guys use to get together and play random dealer choice games like ACEY DUCY while drinking beer and someone would almost always leave in the hole yet it would be a fun night.

So many GTO, stat nerds now. No offense but some players don't really give a sh*t about that and would like to just try and replicate a fun night at the local casino. Sadly most of you regs are too dumb to realize that and only looking out for your own self interest.
Far too many regs are even worse then you realize. They are too dumb to realize it is in their best interest to have games that are fun and enjoyable for recs. If the recs can have a good experience they will happily play longer and keep coming back which will mean there are more recs in the pool, which is in all ways better for the regs.

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i call it gamblers phenomenon: gambler is happy to lose thousands to a casino in -ev game, but when it comes to lose 10 bucks in fair competition with other people u gonna pour out every drop of your **** on "gto nerds" and blame them for learning to play poker better.

and if poker would really become unbeatable gambling sh*t u would play it with a happy smile on your face even if lose faster than in casino. and u would eat all the lies about improving players experience from pokerstars. if you really wanted to have fun playing poker, u would choose limits that would not hurt your bankroll or play money, but u r a brain-dead gambler who wants to play BIG and when you get wrecked u blame everyone but not yourself.
People don't mind paying a casino for the entertainment. It is no different from going out and spending money on a good meal and/or a movie only with the added bonus that there is at least a small chance that on any given night they may actually come out ahead. Contrast that to the current online poker environment where a rec with any ability to recognize what is going on will end up feeling hunted, and most likely be insulted and ridiculed as they loose their money to these self important regs. All to quickly they realize they have next to zero chance at winning in the short or long term.

Gee I wonder why they would rather spend their money on casino games?

This is maybe the first sign of a change from PokerStars that actually does what they keep saying they want to do, improve the experience for recs which in turn will be a benefit for all. The way things are now, if things don't change its just a race to see who will be the last one left to turn out the light. Whichever idiot reg gets that honour will probably walk away thinking he "won."
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The difference is when they lose to the casino it's a fun gamble and they get treated well.when they lose to other players in poker it's usually to boring nits who often treat them like garbage.for some reason this is so hard for some many on here to understand.theres a reason casinos wine and dine their customers.

It's not the being worse or losing that bothers a lot of fish .Like omg wow you play poker all the time and can beat a guy who plays for fun.big ****ing deal.it is the way they're treated at the tables both live and online that often chases them away.
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Far too many regs are even worse then you realize. They are too dumb to realize it is in their best interest to have games that are fun and enjoyable for recs. If the recs can have a good experience they will happily play longer and keep coming back which will mean there are more recs in the pool, which is in all ways better for the regs.



People don't mind paying a casino for the entertainment. It is no different from going out and spending money on a good meal and/or a movie only with the added bonus that there is at least a small chance that on any given night they may actually come out ahead. Contrast that to the current online poker environment where a rec with any ability to recognize what is going on will end up feeling hunted, and most likely be insulted and ridiculed as they loose their money to these self important regs. All to quickly they realize they have next to zero chance at winning in the short or long term.

Gee I wonder why they would rather spend their money on casino games?

This is maybe the first sign of a change from PokerStars that actually does what they keep saying they want to do, improve the experience for recs which in turn will be a benefit for all. The way things are now, if things don't change its just a race to see who will be the last one left to turn out the light. Whichever idiot reg gets that honour will probably walk away thinking he "won."
If you play the obviously -ev game of roulette you end up having a winning session not rarely but for about 30% of the sessions played. Do you thnk a rec poker player wins 30% of sessions?
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Playing poker when you have an edge is no different than any other form of gambling where a person believes he has an edge, whether it's actual or just perceived. Good spots don't last forever and there will always be a segment that believes it's better to pound the situation for all you can, while you can, because if you don't someone else will just come along who will when the word gets out. And they're invariably right. It only takes one person to think this way and that's what generates the gold fish in a piranha tank effect and all the talk, agreements, mutual understandings and so forth in the world will never change that. Whoever you're trying to convince to milk a situation will just think you want to pound it yourself. That's human nature and that's life.
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