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Old 01-08-2018, 06:15 PM   #276
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Re: Seat me: RIP game selection on Stars

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The only people saying other wise are the bum hunters
If you are not, then why would you even care?
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Old 01-08-2018, 07:15 PM   #277
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The only people saying other wise are the bum hunters of the world or the people the bum hunters brainwashed into thinking it's bad for the games.
Strong argument there.

Look at the names ITT who have been against it. I doubt you even play reg tables, anyone who currently does and thinks this change is would be in a positive thing step forward...
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Old 01-10-2018, 08:44 AM   #278
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If you are not, then why would you even care?
Because everyone with a bit of the brain has had enough time to admit to himself the new reality which is: fish are dying out rapidly and they need to be protected and respected.

My friends who play poker as a hobby don't wanna spend hours looking for , installing and using script software and they especially don't want to feel abused and followed by a gang of mediocre players each time they sit onto a table. In the space of half an hour they will get to play total of 8 hands against 5 players who each play 10% of hands preflop and average 16 tables. Who'd ever get hooked to poker if it was always like this?!

These Stars changes are the only way to go but the site which first has the guts to prevent multitabling the same type of game will explode with new recreational players. Just that it takes a lot of counter intuitive bravery to get rid of multitable grinders who earn a lot of the rake for sites but are killing the game faster and faster...
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Old 01-10-2018, 09:57 AM   #279
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Won't this kill the ability to watch the high stakes cash games? If so that's retarded as they draw people into poker. I remember another site doing that and then I just deleted their client lol.
You can observe but the observation is delayed, so you can see yourself play after the session.
Problem is, you can't see who is playing before you hit the observe button, and even then you can only see 1 table at a time per limit and the players you see sitting at the table may already be long gone. Also, the hands that you watch are not in order, so you skip tables between hands and there is no flow.

It definitely prevents bum hunting, and yes, railing high stakes will definitely not be as much fun.
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Old 01-10-2018, 10:28 AM   #280
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Re: Seat me: RIP game selection on Stars

I wrote a blog about this issue a week ago, and it seems clear to me that seat selection will disappear across online poker with a few key consequences:
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*It will clean up the user interface. Instead of scrolling through something that looks like a constantly moving MS Excel sheet, the experience will be more similar to what happens in live poker rooms: you will ask for a certain game, and the poker room operator will take you to a table and sit you down. Maybe you’ll get a choice of the available seats at a given table, but there’s not much benefit for a poker room to give the customer a choice here.

*At most stakes, and for most players, it will end the value of seat scripting to get the best possible seat on weak players.

*At most stakes, it will significantly reduce the incidence of collusion, since cheating partners (both malicious and non-malicious) will be seated at the same tables less often (and when they are, they’ll have less control over relative seat selection).

*The value of big liquidity will decrease in importance, since players will register into pools of cash games and sit & go tournaments (much like the lottery-style Sit & go tournaments already do). The poker server will then be able to manage these tables, moving players and balancing tables automatically. There will be little benefit to the player of playing in a pool of 10 tables compared to a pool of 20 tables.
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Old 01-10-2018, 10:38 AM   #281
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I wrote a blog about this issue a week ago, and it seems clear to me that seat selection will disappear across online poker with a few key consequences:
Thanks for posting, Michael.

I'm not very familiar with the technical aspects of SEAT ME... is there a way operators could eventually resolve the issue of the OBSERVE option being less entertaining as a result? Or is this something that must come along with the territory in any SEAT ME or similar feature?

EDIT: FWIW, I think this is a good move by Stars. It most definitely puts more money in Stars' coffers (can't blame them that much since they're the ones investing in marketing to attract new players in the first place), but it also has the effect of discouraging bumhunting and actually shielding recreational players which is in line with their rhetoric.

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Old 01-10-2018, 10:47 AM   #282
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Thanks for posting, Michael.

I'm not very familiar with the technical aspects of SEAT ME... is there a way operators could eventually resolve the issue of the OBSERVE option being less entertaining as a result? Or is this something that must come along with the territory in any SEAT ME or similar feature?
If a poker site wanted to allow players to observe any table, they certainly could do so.

I think there's value in allowing players to observe tables for a few different reasons:
(a) Prospective players can get an idea of how the games look/play/appear/etc.
(b) The playing community benefit from greater transparency

On the other hand, a poker site might want to prevent observers for different reasons:
(c) chiefly to mitigate the risk of data-mining (there are different ways to mitigate this risk too) but also because;
(d) it would require some time and effort to program and create this feature.

I don't know whether PokerStars will allow much observing of tables - they'll probably come up with a feature similar to their Spin + Go and Zoom observer functions, and allow players to view some hands/tables. That will give them the benfit of (a), mitigate the risk of (c), and they can probably re-use the functionality of what they already having, minimising the cost of (d)

I think it is likely that sites and others will lean towards preventing meaningful, widespread, universal, observation of their hands. I think that's disappointing from the point of view of (b) above, but if poker sites continue to allow customers to record their own hand histories, that probably isn't a big problem in the long-term.
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Old 01-10-2018, 01:33 PM   #283
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^Why not have a few "feature tables" that can be observed normally - generally the 2-3 tables with the most money sitting on them (incl. major tournament final tables).
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Old 01-10-2018, 01:36 PM   #284
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^Why not have a few "feature tables" that can be observed normally - generally the 2-3 tables with the most money sitting on them (incl. major tournament final tables).
Yes, as I suggested above, that seems likely, since they use somewhat analogous solution for Zoom/Spin + Go.
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Old 01-10-2018, 08:43 PM   #285
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Because everyone with a bit of the brain has had enough time to admit to himself the new reality which is: fish are dying out rapidly and they need to be protected and respected.

My friends who play poker as a hobby don't wanna spend hours looking for , installing and using script software and they especially don't want to feel abused and followed by a gang of mediocre players each time they sit onto a table. In the space of half an hour they will get to play total of 8 hands against 5 players who each play 10% of hands preflop and average 16 tables. Who'd ever get hooked to poker if it was always like this?!

These Stars changes are the only way to go but the site which first has the guts to prevent multitabling the same type of game will explode with new recreational players. Just that it takes a lot of counter intuitive bravery to get rid of multitable grinders who earn a lot of the rake for sites but are killing the game faster and faster...
its cute how naive you are thinking multitabling can be stopped or is the cause of the degredation of the games. even if every site caps each account to 4 tables the regs will just play 4-5 sites at a time. myself and many othere i know already do this for mtts not giving and great loyalty or volume to any 1 site and still managing to 10-20 table all day long utilizing 4-6 different sites.

regs may hate seat me but it was an inevitable development. in the tourney world you cant bumhunt seats and was a long time flaw in the cash world. yes sucks that players winrates go down and sites profits up but its a change that was doing to happen no matter what.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:48 PM   #286
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its cute how naive you are thinking multitabling can be stopped or is the cause of the degredation of the games. even if every site caps each account to 4 tables the regs will just play 4-5 sites at a time. myself and many othere i know already do this for mtts not giving and great loyalty or volume to any 1 site and still managing to 10-20 table all day long utilizing 4-6 different sites.

regs may hate seat me but it was an inevitable development. in the tourney world you cant bumhunt seats and was a long time flaw in the cash world. yes sucks that players winrates go down and sites profits up but its a change that was doing to happen no matter what.
Well, the situation you described certainly made it at least slightly more uncomfortable for you to multitable.
Furtherwise MTT's are much easier to multitable than HUSNG's, for example.
There is a lower number of tables than 4: 1 or 2. Why not have a player allowed to sit only on one high MTT, one low MTT, one PLO cash table, one NL cash table, one HUSNG, one 6 player SNG...you get my point. So that way you can play 20 tables simultaneously, but totally different variants.
Time banks can be decreased, that's a very neat weapon too.

As you can see multitabling can be drastically reduced but most of the sites are reluctant to lose this amount of rake gained by multitablers. Interesting how Unibet was pioneering online poker into this direction, but than they stopped and are stagnating for the last year or so.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:35 PM   #287
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Old 01-14-2018, 03:25 PM   #288
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glad i watched this, spewing nonsense about his love to compete for 30 minutes. also is he on drugs? why is he crying?

gl playing regs only and beating 5bb/100 rake
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Old 01-14-2018, 03:46 PM   #289
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Yes, utter drivel.

2 guys who haven't played these games for fk knows how long thinking they have any right to give an opinion on the matter.
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Old 01-14-2018, 07:41 PM   #290
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I love how upset that video made a very small % of people
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Old 01-14-2018, 10:25 PM   #291
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I love how upset that video made a very small % of people
nobody is upset.

tis was discussed heavily since 2015. i was upset back then. its pretty clear by now that not a single site really gives a **** about bumhunters. so i can assure you that even the biggest bumhunters (like urs truly) are at best amused by you bringing up tis subject literally 3 years late
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Old 01-14-2018, 11:39 PM   #292
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nobody is upset.

tis was discussed heavily since 2015. i was upset back then. its pretty clear by now that not a single site really gives a **** about bumhunters. so i can assure you that even the biggest bumhunters (like urs truly) are at best amused by you bringing up tis subject literally 3 years late


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Old 01-15-2018, 01:31 AM   #293
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uncertain if he will always be a winner but he will always be a proud and unapologetic bumhunter
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Old 01-15-2018, 02:50 AM   #294
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so when is this gonna be a thing in .eu client ?
cant wait for some bummy quitting tears .



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Old 01-15-2018, 06:37 AM   #295
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so when is this gonna be a thing in .eu client ?
.EU games are obviously shared globally, so I would expect to be amongst the last to receive it. Looking at past posts of theirs on 2p2, it seems that PokerStars is likely to use the combined Spain/France situation to test it, and then eventually roll it out globally (assuming it works as they intend).

You might get a small country that is part of the global liquidity pool (Denmark? Estonia?) to get it a few hours (maybe a day or two?) ahead of the .COM and .EU clients.
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