i guess it's 99,99% caused by technical issues related to introducing seat me. so we have no clues right now to evaluate impact.

apparently on .es there is no penalty under the new system for seat jumping, tables are opening and breaking immediately with people just getting grimmed for their bb. big increase in zoom traffic as standard tables unplayable

today i've catched a moment when pokerscout reported 1 holdem regular table with 3 players and 1 omaha reg table (except zoom). still can be a technical issue but the post above says it's likely to be the real picture

Fwiw, the lobby is now displaying a message that says "ring games above 25c/50c have a minimum number of hands to be played, if the number is not met then a potential time penalty for leaving will be applied."

Specifics not given.

In the Stars thread the rep has said they've moved onto the second stage of the implementation which includes penalties to stop grimming etc. He also claims the pokerscout data is wrong and a reset will correct this.

The 30% is from the UK's responsible gambling trust research into FOBT roulette play, it was 10 mons of data from 80% of machines (1 bookmaker using same kit did not release data). This was billions of sessions by real people in real gambling situation. One potential complication is multiple sessions or venues in a day as the session was defied as starting to play on the machine and ending gambling on machine.

Right, I've mostly seen roulette played in live casinos with a girl spinning the wheel. The people popping in to the bookies for a bit of a go on the FOBT will probably play for a shorter time which gives them a better chance of winning in the short term.

I would say though it's also a question of what offers the most fun. I played a bit of live 9-max NLHE on Saturday night and it was boring to anyone who's used to 4-tabling 6-max online. Maybe I'll go for roulette next time myself I certainly don't see what poker can offer to the hardcore gambler that roulette can't. You have to be interested in it as a skill game, I think.

Any news on how the experiment on .es is going?

You'd think so but with the higher spin rate the shorter session adds up to longer time in casino. With the higher spin rate the average duration was euivalent to about 45 mins of casino play, so similar maths/no of spins Id guess.

The largest loss was £13k+ and took 7+ hours - the equivalent of about 30 hours solid with croupier. The largest win was also £13k - over 3+ hours.

I still don't understand why they don't just put new players in the big blind. This prevents grimming except for brand new tables.

To get really precise new tables could start with two players and add a new player in the big blind each hand.

How much the rake is reduced?

YES! I have waited for this ever since they removed microstakes deepstacked ante games, basically quit playing on stars since then.
I do not understand why they let people use seating scripts for so long that 30% of games have +5 (all the way to 20+) people on waiting list.
Having reg on reg tables is basically never lose never win just bleed out on rake but it will eventually give poker back to the player not the pokernerdsheep****** that spent xk on gto strategy and software to profit vs fish.

A downside I can see with no waiting list is allot of tables running 3-4 handed right after peak hours

If I understand what you're saying here it's that your preference is for the rake (site) to be the only winner rather than have players who spend time working on their game and improving showing a profit?

Btw you don't learn a 'gto' strategy to profit versus fish.

yeah rofl, you learn GTO to beat other regs haha, that was a funny comment

This needs to happen eveeywhere, pof tables on 888 is hurting so bad of it

Understanding (approximations of) gto strategy and game theory in general will increase your winrate against everyone at the table. Of course you will deviate from what you think is gto against most (if not all) players, but that doesn't mean that understanding gto doesn't greatly increase your profit against weak players.

No, just no. An explotitative strategy will increase your winrate against fishby a huge margin.

did u even read what u quoted mate

that's actually a pretty interesting debate, it was discussed extensively in hu forums in a bit different form - the question was if a skilled bumhunter will have a higher winrate against a very bad player than a top hu crusher. The consensus seemed to be that it's not true, meaning that solid fundamentals with good exploits should have higher ev than purely exploitative play. However, bumhunter's style will for sure be lower variance, which might be desirable in an envoirment where recreational players are very likely to hnr if they win a stack early on.

Link to thread?

im afraid it was in hu cash reg threads, which now has 55k posts, so might be hard to find it :P either that or the thread was old and got deleted

top hu crusher will play in a purely exploitative style and will get a better winrate since he knows poker better, so he would find and exploit leaks much better than an average bh.

So... Can't any spanish reg come over here and tell us how it is so far ? I donwloaded ps.es but can't play there obv but I can observe and see right now 1h30 CET 62 players at 100nl and 25 at 200nl which seems decent. I mean at least cash games are still running

Isn't the best overall solution to just kill all regular tables and switch solely to pool based speed Poker. Random distribution of player skill every single hand?

I know you then lose table dynamics and stuff, but surely it's worth that loss for the overall quality and fairness of the game.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like the obvious solution to me.

No, because it alienates recs who don't want to play zoom. Bad for regs, recs and Pokerstars.

new players ever hand, like zoom, is bad for players not using computer assist programs. most players not using computer assist programs while playing hate zoom and will not play because they quickly lose their money and simple can't beat the players using computer programs to assist their play.