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Old 01-26-2017, 08:10 AM   #1
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Exclamation Seat me: RIP game selection on Stars

http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/en/blog/corporate_blog/2017/improving-the-game-of-poker-for-our-cust-164866.shtml




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Seat Me will:

Greatly reduce the ability to bumhunt
• Prevent seating scripts and level the playing field by undermining those few players using software that allows them to unfairly prey on less experienced players
• Mimic the live poker experience of random table and seat selection
• Introduce potential time penalties to reduce game disruption caused by players constantly switching tables, stealing blinds or refusing to play certain opponents
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We will be testing this new functionality soon, on PokerStars.es, and will review the results of this trial before considering potential future use of Seat Me in other markets.

Welcome to the new era, gentlemen.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:15 AM   #2
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Re: Seat me: RIP game selection on Stars

Finally
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:20 AM   #3
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Re: Seat me: RIP game selection on Stars

nice looking forward to see those ''regular table pros" lines travelling below 0$ line.

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Old 01-26-2017, 08:21 AM   #4
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Might be the first (and only) good update from amaya. This is like the unibet system right?
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:23 AM   #5
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Re: Seat me: RIP game selection on Stars

Mostly great changes, with the exception of taking money off of MTT final tables to pay bigger mincash—why not just pay slightly smaller %?
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:25 AM   #6
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:35 AM   #7
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i was expecting this for a long time.its mostly gg for rus/belarus/ukraine bumhunters, doubt it will have much effect on zoom since most of them would get destroyed pretty fast.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:36 AM   #8
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Re: Seat me: RIP game selection on Stars

why does it say highstakes cash is 80 euro buyin and more? and also all the other ranges? Does this mean that i'll have a shot of making it to the highstakes?
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:39 AM   #9
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Re: Seat me: RIP game selection on Stars

Screenshot is of the Spanish poker room, where it will soon trial. Stake bands, max stakes, currencies etc all different to dot-com.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:41 AM   #10
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They still don't realize that bum hunting will never disappear.
You can seat players with better players and the game will just not run. Especially when charging insane amounts of rake.
Pros play to make money, not for the experience.

Should they hand out penalties for not playing? This creates even more hostility for both regs and fish.
Zoom only? A lot of fish don't like Zoom, so you'll push more players away.

Party has the anonymous table system. The reg sits with a stack making it obvious it him and the game always breaks within an orbit, if there is no fish.
Now, there is a lot more angling and grimming going on, and fish get annoyed by constant camping for two orbits, when the regs are trying to find out if a fish sat.

You can do subtle stuff like not have scripts sit you within 0.1 seconds, so it looks like players are joining naturally.
Or you can make the wait list invisible when at a table.

But you can't get rid of this problem, if you can even call it that.

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Old 01-26-2017, 08:45 AM   #11
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In before all anonymous poker.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:48 AM   #12
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I can't see this working. People just won't play if they get a seat they don't like.

I also don't really see the point given that as it stands they just close tables when people are sitting out so you're required to join massive waiting lists for a table whose composition will be completely changed by the time you get there.

It's a nice idea but I expect it will just end pushing everyone to zoom and/or another site.


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Old 01-26-2017, 08:52 AM   #13
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overall it results in a fish sitting against a less tough lineup than they would otherwise. This means that they lose money less quickly and pokerstars generates more rake.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:54 AM   #14
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Re: Seat me: RIP game selection on Stars

You're completely out of the loop MixGrill.


Bots will run the games, bad/rec regs will stay and both will keep all the fishes to themselves.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:59 AM   #15
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overall it results in a fish sitting against a less tough lineup than they would otherwise. This means that they lose money less quickly and pokerstars generates more rake.
it would turn a big bunch of regs into breakeven or losing ones, so they gonna leave pokerstars and recs gonna play in a more tough reg pool
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:03 AM   #16
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We'll see. That is why they're doing the experiment after all
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:04 AM   #17
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Re: Seat me: RIP game selection on Stars

The fish isn't playing against weaker players, because the seat scripters are obv. not that good.

Are you forced to play a min. number of hands, if a table starts? Otherwise tables with just regs will be shut down in seconds and it would just get really annoying.
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:09 AM   #18
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They still don't realize that bum hunting will never disappear.
You can seat players with better players and the game will just not run. Especially when charging insane amounts of rake.
Pros play to make money, not for the experience.

Should they hand out penalties for not playing? This creates even more hostility for both regs and fish.
Zoom only? A lot of fish don't like Zoom, so you'll push more players away.

Party has the anonymous table system. The reg sits with a stack making it obvious it him and the game always breaks within an orbit, if there is no fish.
Now, there is a lot more angling and grimming going on, and fish get annoyed by constant camping for two orbits, when the regs are trying to find out if a fish sat.

You can do subtle stuff like not have scripts sit you within 0.1 seconds, so it looks like players are joining naturally.
Or you can make the wait list invisible when at a table.

But you can't get rid of this problem, if you can even call it that.
i strongly agree. the objective of this is not to get rid of scripts, but to get rid of people that make a living out of poker.

if the objective of this is to get rid of seating scripts they will fail miserably. i guarantee that automatic seating solutions will be available fast, probably from day 1. most people say "make all zoom so you cant script" yeah well, you can also script zoom quite efficiently. it just isnt done because there is not much money in it.

however, this does a pretty good job at fücking the regs. any high stakes reg knows what a pain in the ass it is to play on party.
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:12 AM   #19
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Re: Seat me: RIP game selection on Stars

also guys... keep in mind that FT rolled a pretty much identical system. stars is not here to "experiment" with this. maybe experiment in the sense of "will the software produce a million bugs?" kind of way, but they know damn right what effect and impact this will have

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Old 01-26-2017, 09:20 AM   #20
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:24 AM   #21
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They still don't realize that bum hunting will never disappear.
You can seat players with better players and the game will just not run. Especially when charging insane amounts of rake.
Pros play to make money, not for the experience.

Should they hand out penalties for not playing? This creates even more hostility for both regs and fish.
Zoom only? A lot of fish don't like Zoom, so you'll push more players away.
QFT. You can hand out all the penalties you want, but pros aren't stupid enough to bleed money in -EV games all day. If they want to kill regular tables, then mission accomplished.
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:25 AM   #22
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interesting point
my answer was particularly dedicated to you. not sure if you are a troll of just clueless, but either way we would appreciate if you stopped posting.
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:26 AM   #23
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If you enjoy playing short handed you will no longer be able to? Only 6 max/FR/HU.
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:27 AM   #24
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obviously another money grab (attempt to force more 6-regs tables), regular games will probably just die out soon and everyone will be playing zoom

also, this:

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• Introduce potential time penalties to reduce game disruption caused by players constantly switching tables, stealing blinds or refusing to play certain opponents
will be huge turn-off for recs, as most of them prefer to hitnrun and jump tables
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:29 AM   #25
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It will be interesting to see the effects of this experiment.
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