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07-12-2019 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Swwiinn
I'm surprised at a lot of the responses. I like Schulman's commentary as much as the next fan, but saying something like that on a live broadcast is ridiculously short sighted.

In the end, ESPN is a business, the number one rule in business for employees is that they don't do anything to bring the employer into disrepute.

Saying to all the casual fans following the WSOP that they shouldn't watch the Main Event if they want to improve is just mind boggling. Lon & Norman may not really provide any tangible insight into the game, but everything that comes out of their mouth is that the ME is the pinnacle of poker. This is what you are required to do when you publicly represent a brand.

Nick obviously provides great analysis and is the kind of commentator that can genuinely help recs improve, but slating the brand you are meant to be representing to the entire poker world is a deal breaker
I sincerely hope you don't run a business for your sake and the sake of your family. The number one rule of any business is to turn the highest profit possible - which revolves around making sure that your customers are happy and keep coming back for more - especially your most dedicated and consistent customers. No good business owner runs his business based on perceived slights.
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07-12-2019 , 03:30 PM
very amusing. espn’s cult makes poker seem virtuous by comparison.
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07-12-2019 , 04:36 PM
It’s like they had prime Babe Ruth doing color. Bambino has the world’s insight of the game. But he lights up a cigar with the camera pointing at him....

ESPN could have used it as a teaching moment. Why not have Nick expand on his thought, that something so killer to be involved with might be detrimental to a beginner’s progress?

I don’t care how rich they are, the thought leaders at the WSOP & ESPN are cowards.
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07-12-2019 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
I sincerely hope you don't run a business for your sake and the sake of your family. The number one rule of any business is to turn the highest profit possible - which revolves around making sure that your customers are happy and keep coming back for more - especially your most dedicated and consistent customers. No good business owner runs his business based on perceived slights.
Perhaps you should go back and read my post again. 'The number one RULE for EMPLOYEES.'

Regardless, whether my use of 'number one' was a hyperbole or not, you don't, for any reason, tell a genuine section of your customer base that they would be better off not buying your product. Purists or whatever that think Schulman is great for not 'selling out' are delusional. Do not bad mouth the business you work for, ESPECIALLY to the ****ing customer's face. I don't even know how this is up for debate.

Last edited by Swwiinn; 07-12-2019 at 06:22 PM.
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07-12-2019 , 06:18 PM
I take back what I said about Schulman earlier in the thread. He's way too funny and entertaining.

Stoner humor, mind you, which may be ESPN's beef.

#bringbackschulman
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07-12-2019 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Swwiinn
Perhaps you should go back and read my post again. 'The number one RULE for EMPLOYEES.'

Regardless, whether or not my use of number one was a hyperbole or not, you don't, for any reason, tell a genuine section of your customer base that they would be better off not buying your product. Purists or whatever that think Schulman is great for not 'selling out' are delusional. Do not bad mouth the business you work for, ESPECIALLY to the ****ing customer's face. I don't even know how this is up for debate.
He didn't badmouth ESPN or the main event, he said don't watch the main event as a poker lesson. Since you clearly are too ******ed to understand the obvious difference, congrats on being one of the first and only people I've muted in 10 years on 2+2.
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07-12-2019 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Swwiinn
Perhaps you should go back and read my post again. 'The number one RULE for EMPLOYEES.'

Regardless, whether or not my use of number one was a hyperbole or not, you don't, for any reason, tell a genuine section of your customer base that they would be better off not buying your product. Purists or whatever that think Schulman is great for not 'selling out' are delusional. Do not bad mouth the business you work for, ESPECIALLY to the ****ing customer's face. I don't even know how this is up for debate.
Delusional in what way? Is it somehow not allowed to appreciate a person giving his honest assessment of how a product can be and cannot be valuable to the customer?
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07-12-2019 , 06:29 PM
He didn't tell anyone they were better off not buying the product. The product is an entertainment show not a poker training site.
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07-12-2019 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
He didn't badmouth ESPN or the main event, he said don't watch the main event as a poker lesson. Since you clearly are too ******ed to understand the obvious difference, congrats on being one of the first and only people I've muted in 10 years on 2+2.
I already know this. I know his intention was not to put down the Main Event and I also know that what he was saying had a lot of truth to it.

The fact you are too ******ed to know that the words 'I would not watch the Main Event' should never have come out of his mouth, in any possible context, then feel free to block me because after this I won't be responding back to you anymore. I'm actually laughing as I type this, as this is one of the most basic things to know when talking about your product/brand.
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07-12-2019 , 07:35 PM
Well he's spoken his piece on a short vid that Kevmath's retweeted so if you follow him in twitter, check out the vid. Nothing too controversial, Schulman classy as ever. He does leave it hanging at the end when he says I'll see you soon...or not.

It's pretty much as D Negs called it. But yeah, Schulman wanted to see the thing - The WSOP Main Event Coverage - home with the rest of the team.

I didn't think i could love the man any more. really hope he's back in the booth soon.
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07-12-2019 , 07:41 PM
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07-12-2019 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by teejayC
Nick seems most disappointed by the fact he's not commenting for the home stretch of the ME, maybe thinking ESPN thinks he's good enough for the early stages but not the right guy for the most important coverage as the tournament reaches its climax. Like he's somehow a second rate stand-in just holding a beer for Lon and Norm. I would be really pissed too.
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07-12-2019 , 08:22 PM
Lol at “jerkoff tells me to dance for him.”
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07-12-2019 , 09:50 PM
I watched Nick's 2 minute video and to be honest I am more confused about sht then I was before he put it out. I don't think he even knows the final outcome and what's gonna happen with him and Ali. But I've kept my word, haven't watched 1 second of main event coverage since both on espn and pokergo. Haven't canceled yet but will soon. If Nick comes back I come back.
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07-12-2019 , 10:11 PM
So was Nick removed from the broadcast team or wasn't he?
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07-12-2019 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
So was Nick removed from the broadcast team or wasn't he?
They are done for this year, whether or not that was always in the plan maybe only the suits know
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07-12-2019 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla
I watched Nick's 2 minute video and to be honest I am more confused about sht then I was before he put it out. I don't think he even knows the final outcome and what's gonna happen with him and Ali. But I've kept my word, haven't watched 1 second of main event coverage since both on espn and pokergo. Haven't canceled yet but will soon. If Nick comes back I come back.
It seems pretty clear that they 86d Ali and Nick but Nick and Ali don't want to badmouth PokerGo or seem bitter so Ali is radio silent and Nick is taking the high road and putting out this ambiguous statement. A few days ago Ali said on a broadcast that he was here for the long hall, but PokerGo and ESPN is saying that Norm and Lon were schedule from day 5 on from the very beginning. Now PokerGo and ESPN have a team of old guys that struggle mightily to call play by play and cannot possibly commentate for the originally scheduled times/days, which is why the broadcasts are starting later than scheduled and ending earlier.

Its a shame there is no subscription service available to poker fans who want to watch the whole WSOP with informed, competent commentators which is broadcast on a fixed schedule (that is actually adhered to). Maybe next year.
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07-12-2019 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
To be fair, back in 1994, only the real star players on an MLB team made over $1 million. The majority made $100k-$200k/year.
I think you're thinking of 1984. By 1994, the average MLB salary was above six figures, and the league minimum was $109K.

Also, for what it's worth, the Angels could have tried as hard as they wanted, but they had no chance of winning that year's World Series.
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07-12-2019 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
It seems pretty clear that they 86d Ali and Nick but Nick and Ali don't want to badmouth PokerGo or seem bitter so Ali is radio silent and Nick is taking the high road and putting out this ambiguous statement. A few days ago Ali said on a broadcast that he was here for the long hall, but PokerGo and ESPN is saying that Norm and Lon were schedule from day 5 on from the very beginning. Now PokerGo and ESPN have a team of old guys that struggle mightily to call play by play and cannot possibly commentate for the originally scheduled times/days, which is why the broadcasts are starting later than scheduled and ending earlier.

Its a shame there is no subscription service available to poker fans who want to watch the whole WSOP with informed, competent commentators which is broadcast on a fixed schedule (that is actually adhered to). Maybe next year.
Maybe Nick is taking the high road in the hopes that he and Ali will be brought back after the main is finished. You know for like the SHR bowl and other events. But Nick was so confusing in his video. I think it was evident he knows a lot more than what he is saying.

Also since I haven't watched pokergo at all since this happened, I have no clue who is broadcasting over there. Are they big names? You say old guys and I am thinking Cloutier and Dan Harrington lol.

I would say 1 thing though that is making me believe we have seen the last of Nick at least doing commentary for pokergo. In his video he used the f bomb at least 3 times. Not really smart if you are trying to lobby directly or indirectly to remain a commentator moving forward. Just my opinion.
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07-12-2019 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla
Maybe Nick is taking the high road in the hopes that he and Ali will be brought back after the main is finished. You know for like the SHR bowl and other events. But Nick was so confusing in his video. I think it was evident he knows a lot more than what he is saying.

Those were my thoughts exactly.

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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla
Also since I haven't watched pokergo at all since this happened, I have no clue who is broadcasting over there. Are they big names? You say old guys and I am thinking Cloutier and Dan Harrington lol.
Its Norm and Lon doing live play by play all day. I have nothing against Norm and Lon for what they are. They are fine for a 1 hour highlight/recap show which can be scripted and edited (like they did for many years). They are not at all cut out to be live commentators, especially for many hours a day.
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07-12-2019 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla
Maybe Nick is taking the high road in the hopes that he and Ali will be brought back after the main is finished. You know for like the SHR bowl and other events. But Nick was so confusing in his video. I think it was evident he knows a lot more than what he is saying.
One of my friends was released by his NFL team midseason, I think it was last year (might be two years ago). Of course, he was disappointed, but he made a bunch of very gushing and appreciative posts on social media. "Grateful for the opportunity" and so on.

Three weeks later, the guy that replaced him didn't work out, and my friend was re-signed to finish out the year. He's a free agent heading into this fall, but at least for that moment, it paid to take the high road.


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Also since I haven't watched pokergo at all since this happened, I have no clue who is broadcasting over there. Are they big names? You say old guys and I am thinking Cloutier and Dan Harrington lol.
They're referring to Lon and Norm from ESPN.
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07-12-2019 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
Those were my thoughts exactly.



Its Norm and Lon doing live play by play all day. I have nothing against Norm and Lon for what they are. They are fine for a 1 hour highlight/recap show which can be scripted and edited (like they did for many years). They are not at all cut out to be live commentators, especially for many hours a day.
Agree 150% frenbar.
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07-12-2019 , 10:53 PM
Nick is running deep in the 100k
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07-12-2019 , 11:19 PM
Why on earth do people think that Daniel is making this up?
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07-12-2019 , 11:40 PM
Nick sitting 2nd of the remaining 11 on dinner break in the $100k.

Would be some irony if he were to end up winning this given he wouldn't have even been playing in it.
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