Howdy!
I am one of the bettors who got scammed by Alvaro "Spin4play" Romero -$15,000 in my case. All bets he frauded were worth over $100,000.

I want you to check out this story about a guy who thanks to the fake challenge earned a lot of money. Now with cooperation with PokerStrategy he doesn't want to pay back the money he stole.
Together with PokerStrategy they were advertising their SpinLegends school with fake image of Alvaro who supposed to be The Best Spin&Go Poker Player in the world - which was pretty hard to neglect after the bet he won.

But let's strart from the beggining.
In 2016 Spin4play run a challenge on 2+2 - that he is aiming to play 20K games in 2 months (May+April) with 1,5% ROI. Odds were 3:1 for him - quite reasonable. $30,000 of his own action vs $90,000 bettors action.

I have beenplayed these games for over a year and I knew it's almost impossible. At least no one did it in the past. So random guy who never played on .eu can't do it. Alvaro told that he was playing spins on PokerStars.es that's why he came out of nowhere and want to challenge himself. I thought - easy money - let's set trustworthy escrow and LET'S GO!

And as you may suspect - he won the bet.

2 years later (a few months ago) we started to hear some gossips about a software that spin4play was using which allowed him to skip registering to the spin if the first registered player is a good reg.



So one of the bettors started a topic where everything started:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...fraud-1713447/

After conversation with integrity team we found out that he got banned beacause of cheating during the Challenge.


Meanwhile in this topic PokerStrategy was doing what they can to prove that we are wrong and there are false acosations. After a few days since this topic started on 2+2 Alvaro wrote the post where he claims that he wants to pay us the money. PokerStrategy reacted again the same as at the beggining telling us that THESE ARE YOUR PRIVATE PROBLEMS AND WE DON'T CARE ABOUT IT. Though PokerStrategy decided to not show Alvaro face on their site and not advertise him as a coach nor talking about his increadible challenge.
But the problem is that they actually gathered pretty big stable thankfully to false advertisment of this challenge - as Spin4play was a face of SpinLegends - and BOTH WITH ALVARO profit regulary from players they are staking USING MY MONEY!!!!!
Now the ABSURD is comming - Alvaro want's to pay ONLY 10%!!!!/monthly. WHY? He is a big shareholder of SpinLegends.
Again PokerStrategy doesn't care in helping to solve this case even tho they are in good contact with their business partner.

When is he going to pay me and others the rest of the money?

;TLDR
-Alvaro "Spin4play" Romero cheated in a challenge where he won $100k from bettors by using illegal software and chip-dumping.
-He used his image of best Spin&Go player and money to cooperete with PokerStrategy and create SpinLegends stable.
-Now after 2 years truth turned out(confirmed by PokerStars integrity team and Spin4play admits his guilty)
-PokerStrategy stopped advertising spin4play as a coach but keeps taking profit from players who were convinced by mendacious adversity
-Alvaro wants to give back only 10% MONTHLY to bettors while being big SpinLegends shareholder
-PokerStrategy don't care and washes their hands.
-When will he give back STOLEN money?

1,5% ROI in spins is almost unachievable? I guess poker's dead

when is the first 10% chunk due? from my experience if he give you less than 10% the first time or if hes massively late, you can kiss most of your money goodbye. If he pays correctly dont be needlessly harsh on him, because there is not a single day that passes without him thinking if its not more worth it to just bail

spins always were a joke

Pokerstrategy... isn't this the site that was the biggest affiliate in promoting short stack strategy to newbies and then mid stack strategy without no one ever making a deposit. This is the **** that was terrible for the poker ecosystem and not the rakeback regular players received.
Most of the pokersites wised up over the years, but there's still some that do that ****. Now they're owned by iPoker network right? The site with most bots outside of WPN. Another great site that "promotes" the game being a affiliate for a school for shortstacking and later midstacking is EducacrapPoker.

Strange question - did anyone betting against him make sure a condition was in the bet that he could not use software that was prohibited by Stars?

That SSS with starting bankroll is a long, long time ago Jack

Hmm...you know how prop bets go, very little chance this was spelled out exactly. He wasn't cheating in-game at the tables, I think court isn't an option here as a lawsuit would probably not go through

But come on, this is so obvious deception and he should pay them back if he has any morals and wants to be able to show his face in the poker community.
Personally I don't see an issue with the 10% per month thing as long as he mans up, comes forward and pays on time, you don't know what his cash flow is, being hostile and saying it's unacceptable isn't helping your case OP. You should negotiate higher percentages if anything, just take emotion out of it and try to get your money back.


EDIT: You just throw out there "chip dumping" at the end? I don't see any evidence of that, just seat script

After a month Spin4play decided to pay first 10%.
Still, I am super not satisfied with this approach. Why does he send only 10% if he received everything in 1 transfer? Why is it only 10% if he is a big shareholder of big poker stable? what's going on?

ad the chip-dumping - you have detailed info in the thread I linked in the middle of my starting post - a few players connected to this case has spoken.

Now days 6% ROI is achievable - but when you play 3k games /month - not 10k games.

"2 years later (a few months ago) we started to hear some gossips about a software that spin4play was using which allowed him to skip registering to the spin if the first registered player is a good reg."

it's funny you mention that being the coach of the stable that abused queueing which kurzatvvarz shown proof of

How can I send private message guys?

The capability to use 2+2 Private Messaging kicks in after the member has participated in the forums for a short while.

Here is a link that may be useful:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...ns-etc-167983/

When will people stop getting involved in sketchy gambling that is too good to be true, and then coming out publicly to say that poker is not a trustworthy activity for regular people?

Mendacious Adversity was my cover band in high school

patrick leonard endorsing a scammer. what else is new.

What now? Seriously. Are you kidding me? 10% per month? He should give back everything what he stole asap

After reading through previous thread, pretty shocking, but at same time just makes me think most crushers, used some kind of illegal software at some point, and did so because knew was little to no consequence

If you stole 100k from a random person outside the world of poker you would go to jail in most countries

if you steal higher than 6 figs in poker though you can have a huge chip stack in the main event 2018 (chino reem) , have phil hellmuth tweet out your stake packages (brad booth? name similar) , or disappear from poker forums and have rave pictures of you posted on FB occasionally in same city you are from (Shak who scammed ~300k from ppl in canada) all with AFIK none paid back in any cases lol

Do you guys realize that in situations like this 99.99999% of the time the victims see nothing?????? The OP and some others in this thread are INSANE for complaining about seeing 10% of it per month. If this happened yesterday sure, 10% a month makes no sense then. This was years ago. Who knows what his current finanical situation is. Its a small miracle you are getting literally any recompense. Yall are nuts for poking the bear.

Maybe I don't understand something (I don't know exactly how spins work) and it might be a little bit of side/off-topic but...: Isn't it concerning, that there was a softwarte available out there that was ? Shouldn't be this kind of data secured by the Pokerstars? How can I be sure right now that there is no other software in use reading some data from PS DB that should not be available for other players? Seems like a serious data leakage from their side (or am I wrong?)

Sorry to break the news but was basically available as soon as spins were created, think was called spinwiz?

What would you guys do if you were still a player on Spinlegends not doing so well (under makeup)? Do you leave? Leave and agree to pay the makeup? Giving everything that has happend are they entitle to that makeup? Can we legally appeal misrepresentation or something similar?

What jurisdiction would hold a gambling makeup debt as a valid contract anyway? Plus, the backer would have to take you to court, not the other way around.

Does SL have a lean on your house or something????

If you are asking on the moral grounds, then IMO you have to honor the agreement, or negotiate a way out of it. Ultimately, a backer does not want a horse that wants to quit to be going deeper in debt because of the lack of enforceability of the actual contract.

Yeah obviously no we all know contracts are not enforcable any court in the world.

This is more likely what i was looking for and what i tought also, thanks!¡