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Russian fold quads in One Drop????

View Poll Results: John Morgan had:

74 6.09%

385 31.69%

T9ss

483 39.75%

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173 14.24%

Air

100 8.23%

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07-02-2012 , 04:14 PM

#251

JCHAK

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,273

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuff

Old guys LOVE to slowplay the nuts, especially when a guy like Dwan is in the hand who is going to be putting in action most of the time in position against 2 unknows. After playing with John for many many hours I would say that he would call with the nuts on the flop almost everytime.

Also, he raises a flopped set on this board because of the draws and he would have no problem taking it down there. He calls with KK too b/c he doesnt love his hand.

109 of spades or KK for sure.

R u serious? Then why do old nits keep 10 xing with the nuts in a 2 flush board and the show it when the player folds saying "na, if I slow play they woulda got me, I'm too smart for that.". Or 10 x with AA and say similar things...

Old guys tend to get it in good while it's good.

07-02-2012 , 04:18 PM

#252

NeA

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 603

How does John Morgan not instantly flip his hand over?
If someone folds quads face up against you and you had the nut straight flush(using 2 holecards),would you muck your hand or flip it over immediately and show your disbelief in what the hell just happened?

07-02-2012 , 04:21 PM

#253

d0nk3y

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,185

Quote:

Originally Posted by DePokerGod

I'm just surprised a russian actually managed to fold a hand.

07-02-2012 , 04:21 PM

#254

Cotton Hill

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 12,307

If I'm sitting there with a straight flush and someone folds quads I'm going to be yelling at them accusing them of seeing my cards somehow.

07-02-2012 , 04:28 PM

#255

Isuckypoker69

banned

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by needsumthin

lol i do agree with your post...but it's galfond, dude is an uber nice guy and a smart one...he is not gonna say it was a terrible fold to an interviewer that he knows would be putting the interview out to the public for everyone to view, including the ppl in the hand...

my .02 on that

+10000000
******ed fold period.

07-02-2012 , 04:29 PM

#256

Morph3us

adept

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 799

Are you ****ing kidding me!?!?!?!?

07-02-2012 , 04:33 PM

#257

Kirbynator

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 52,004

he probably has JJ more often than 9Tss... thats before adding the few other hands he could have and the huge pot in the middle

lmao.. the guy is a CEO who knows what hes thinking when he shoves...

07-02-2012 , 04:38 PM

#258

aiminglow

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 502

From @garyWise1 Twitter:

John Morgan is out. I asked him again if he had the straight flush. He again only said "He made the right fold"

07-02-2012 , 04:44 PM

#259

Riverdinho

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 477

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirbynator

a CEO who knows what hes thinking

this thread is disturbing

07-02-2012 , 04:47 PM

#260

Donk Quixote

old hand

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,311

Quote:

Originally Posted by aiminglow

From @garyWise1 Twitter:

John Morgan is out. I asked him again if he had the straight flush. He again only said "He made the right fold"

Well he busted by 4-betting all in with a flush draw on a TT8 board, so I'm not sure if the whole nitty reputation is all that accurate.

07-02-2012 , 04:47 PM

#261

Riverdinho

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 477

Quote:

Originally Posted by aiminglow

From @garyWise1 Twitter:

John Morgan is out. I asked him again if he had the straight flush. He again only said "He made the right fold"

wow if true.

He won a hand today with quad nines tho, so much better than 8888

07-02-2012 , 04:48 PM

#262

infernalz

newbie

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 22

Villian had 77

/thread

07-02-2012 , 04:49 PM

#263

shanest

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 307

jesus he donked off a lot of his chips w a flush draw... doubting if he had it myself now

07-02-2012 , 04:49 PM

#264

MNHBK

newbie

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 15

07-02-2012 , 04:51 PM

#265

TheCoronaCorona

stranger

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 2

07-02-2012 , 04:59 PM

#266

Cotton Hill

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 12,307

There is a very real chance the guy had the straight flush, given the action and everything it's a very real possibility.

Whether or not it's a strong enough chance to make it a good fold, nope. If you're looking for spots to make hero folds with quads, that's just not a good mindset.

I can guarantee you if this was normal sized buy in tournament dude snap calls the all in.

07-02-2012 , 05:06 PM

#267

birdman

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 170

he had flush max, ppl come on, you don't fold quads EVER (ok maybe if board reads x5678ssss), then it's reasonable

07-02-2012 , 05:06 PM

#268

LastDamnation

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 290

As Eli would say "you a big player now, laying down quads"

07-02-2012 , 05:12 PM

#269

El_Padroni

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,344

Quote:

Originally Posted by archii

Must be a level?

must be a level?

07-02-2012 , 05:17 PM

#270

Mark275

banned

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,434

will this ever be confirmed on tv? or will it just be speculation forever?

07-02-2012 , 05:17 PM

#271

osefiwin

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 118

I just wish some people would come up with actual facts that made this a horrible fold instead of truths, apart from "his read might be wrong". Smirnov provided info on why he discarded "weaker" part of Morgan's value range as less likely than SF. He made an elaborate argument (cf. first link of Gary Wise). We have to assume that he had massive tells on Morgan, and Morgan showed extreme confidence postflop -> probably if he had jacks or kings he would also have seemed confident preflop. That doesn't mean he can never have jacks, but it's still food for thought. We are thinking here ; all you can do is "C'mon don't fold quads lol".

07-02-2012 , 05:18 PM

#272

Valdivia10

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 590

if your going to buyin into a tournament and fold fckn quads dont even bother entering it. Even if i saw the guys hole cards and saw my quads was beat i still wouldn't lay it down lol

07-02-2012 , 05:21 PM

#273

MangoPort

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,379

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeA

THIS, plus the fact that John Morgan later said "I can't reveal what I had out of respect for my opponent".

You're showing your opponent a lot of respect if you say you had it, but it would be humiliating to say he had air and bluffed a guy off quads.

Ergo. No straight flush.

07-02-2012 , 05:23 PM

#274

SW_Kaizer

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,192

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valdivia10

if your going to buyin into a tournament and fold fckn quads dont even bother entering it. Even if i saw the guys hole cards and saw my quads was beat i still wouldn't lay it down lol

prob why your posting in NVG and he's playing the One drop