How has Russ Hamilton been "caught?"

Some Canadian Indian Gaming Commission put his name in an "invertigative report?"

Has he been arrested?

Has he been sued?

I get your point though, and should re-phrase to say, he's committed a crime and he's gotten away with it - and will get away with it because no one will be able to prosecute him successfully.

well anybody would say the same thing with all the evidence pointed at them but I'm sure there are a lot bigger fish who supplied the money for UB to get off ground and Russ probably doesn't want to mess with them.

Course fall guys are always below the food chain, Russ is never taking the fall for some IT guy or VP Alan grimard. Find someone above Russ, which can maybe be only a few people at or vested in UB and you might have your guy. But saying all the evidence is a frame job isn't good enough, it's Russ' turn to prove otherwise, maybe he can hire 2p2 detectives. Realistically with his rep he most like cheated

Has anyone seen or heard anything from Russ Hamilton since the UB story went main stream? I was more interested in knowing if anyone has "seen", Russ? Any gossip/theories on if he is still living in the U.S.A.? Think he is holed up in his Las Vegas property or think he is laying on the beach very far far far away? Or think he might be looking to hide in one of those luxury Pakistani caves? Serious replies appreciated as to your theory of what he is doing right now or where he is relaxing counting his easy money. Curious to know if anyone thinks he will ever show his face in Las Vegas again. I'm sure there are a few UB players in Vegas who would like to catch up with him and ask him a few questions. lol.

Someone who has been robbed by UB should call the FBI, get a meeting and lay out the evidence against RUSS HAMILTON.

A RICO indictment is surely to follow unless the FBI agent is a total moron.

LOL!!

Sorry...

Annie Duke, working for Greg Pierson, getting stock options in ielogic? Wonder what she got when Excapsa bought ielogic, or if she still holds stock....

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fsb/f...3291/index.htm

Mookman5,

You seem the smartest here to me, so let me ask you what you think about KGC's statement.

When KGC said "refunds shall commence by Nov,3rd 2008" does that mean NOT before then ?

If UB admitted there was cheating, UB admitted I GOT cheated, KGC said they did, KGC orders players refunded, then I think there should be no problem in UB telling me the $ amount I was cheated. Right ?

Thx, but I am nowhere near the smartest. I mean Todd Terry is a lawyer, Nat made thepokerdb and exposed both cases pretty well. That being said I have done alot of research on the UB cheating, ownership, etc. Many random articles and facts. The thing that gets me, is why they have released only a handful of the 88 usernames. I also would believe they know the amount of your refund, why the can't give it to you but make you wait and see, who knows. I couldn't imagine what it would be like to know you were robbed but have to wait and wait. In July they made it seem like the refunds were complete, then the next batch would be it and that it would come shortly. I got the impression that all refunds had to be out by Nov 3, but statements from UB, KGC or whomever really mean what anyway? I mean ultimatebet.com hasn't updated their news section in over a month and make no mention of Russ Hamilton's involvement. In the past, the NioNio updates on the site are a joke too. I wish you the best of luck in getting what is owed to you.

Precisely, the wait and see, is what drives me paranoid and adds to the pain I feel in dragging this on and on. I want to know how much of the $300,000 I lost there was to the superusers. I have no doubt its $50,000 +

Earlier this year in Salt Lake City a high stakes game I was playing at was robbed by three gunman, the $25,000 stolen felt bad but at least it was over in 3 minutes, case closed. (well I can say that since the SLC police did nothing at all)

I know now UB will make good on the ~$20 million that Russ and his buddies stole, and that is good, because if not for UB coming and paying for that I doubt Russ Hamilton would pay it, and that could have cost him more than money.

the barryg apologists are pretty sickening. his comments were clearly intended to set back the investigation and worse, will be used in any prosecution if it makes it that far.

when you are considered an "expert" and "spokesman" in a field its best to not make accusatory ("kids jumping to conlusions") and concrete comments without large evidence.

but barry is not dumb. he knows that. and thats why said what he said. good old boy old school gamblers looking out for each other. its complete crap that kids who make questionable ethical decisions (multiaccounting) are completely hung out to dry while long time cheaters are heralded as gods to the game.

imo brian townsend and zeejustin are more credible than barryg at this point.

I lost a lot in that game too, but it was largely in one or two short-handed drunk ass sessions....still, I kept going because the opp/opps were playing crazy bad (IMHO, and at the time...I may have just been boneheaded drunk and tilted ). It was around 3 years ago, iirc...i wish i still had hh's, but that was about 6 computers ago.

It amuses me that I used to play at that level online...very dumb in retrospect. I keep my high stakes live, now, and play penny-ante sngs .

Operate outside the law.
You then can't call on 'the law' to protect you.
Ya UB piece of chit Shamilton.

or FBI scrutiny under the RICO Act

Please cite the laws you're referring to (and if you say the Wire Act, take a lap.)
Reading this entire thread made me 10x dumber -- there's plenty of endgames here that result in Russ serving serious time.

Remember this thread from Daniel Negreanu.
http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...0hamilton&st=0

Russ Hamilton is clearly a cheating addict. His only options are to disappear to China or Russia. Hopefully he will get caught doing the same things and be dealt with in a manner the USA cannot provide.

I didn't ask where you went to school -- I asked you what laws you were referring to when you said that it is "illegal to gamble online in the US"?

If they are that scared for their lives, what the hell are they doing giving talks to undergrad classes?

+1 and only after being exposed by 2+2

there is no way Russ pulled this huge scam off by himself and the most disturbing part is the systematic cover up by UB

http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/

From the above KGC press release:
"Mr. Catania states, “My intention is to provide further information as it is uncovered, although the information already submitted to the KGC relating to Ultimate Bet warrants the KGC taking the actions it has today. Any further evidence uncovered with regard to cheating, withholding or destroying records in our continuing investigation will be........"

UB destroyed all HH beyond the 24 months when first caught
If UB didn't do the actual cheating they are just as guilty for minimizing their liability in making fair and proper restitution

barryg is right the proof will be who will be exposed and how many perps were involved in the cheating and the cover up get prosecuted don't hold your breath until Nov 3rd barryg

Very kind of you. In that case, I'll treat your refusal to use paragraphs and misuse of fairly basic words in similar vein.

Through all of this soap opera, I have always felt that AP and UB have been systematically stealing from it's customers as a company strategy. On the subject of Full Tilt and the KGC, this morning I checked my tournament history, as provided by FTP online and the following disclaimer was at the bottom of the page :

Full Tilt Poker is licensed by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission.
© Copyright 2004 - 2008 FullTiltPoker.com. All Rights Reserved

https://my.fulltiltpoker.com/tournam...VLRVIyVTZVV0Y-

Till AP/UB/the KGC opens the books, identifies all the Super User names, this scandal will NEVER be fully reimbursed. IMO it is 'tens of millions'...

Scott

where is the guy who used to do the detective stuff?

fiji something

The link is blocked. Or at least, it doesn't work for me. It is possible that you can only access it from your computer.

Oh wait, it might be because I have disabled java.

Taking time off poasting to write a book, I think.

allenglen,

You are not even close to accurate about my motives and neither are my other critics in the thread, who fortunately are in the minority. I just want to get to the truth. It will have no affect on me or the future of poker whether we find out that Russ is the matermind or that it's someone else or some group of people.

I think the way you guys are going about it, you would rather hang Russ than find out if he is really behind it. Russ is no friend of mine. But I can't believe that he is alone if he is guilty. I certainly see a lot of circumstantial evidence that Russ is part of this scheme, but you guys are so illogical, that you force me to take an opposing view in the way that Henry Fonda did in 12 Angry Men.

As I mentioned, I have had the privilege to talk to people involved in the 60 mminutes investigation and they aren't going to simply say "The KGC and the court of public opinion say it's Russ, so we should go with that and look no further."

If I was only concerned about my reputation and the future of poker, I would pin it all on Russ because that is the quickest and simplest way to go. But I want to be a little more careful and intelligent about this, so I won't choose that route.

Barry

Barry:

I agree that those who are questioning your motives are out of line. But I think you're oversimplifying the viewpoint of those who disagree with you. No one wants to pin it on Russ for the sake of pinning it on Russ. And no one doesn't want to see anyone involved in this travesty get away. The KGC did not say Russ acted alone, just that he was the main person responsible for it. In their press release they claimed that they are in contact with law enforcement agencies and intend to cooperate in the prosecution of "all individuals involved in the UB cheating incidents".

Obviously Russ' refusal to go on your show and continued public silence on this matter is incriminating. And even though I have little faith in the KGC, I do not think they would make an accusation of this gravity against a specific person lightly, for a variety of reasons. Combined with the various transfer records (assuming they're accurate, which is a separate issue), Russ looks pretty guilty right now. No one reaching that conclusion is being unreasonable.