LOL!! You say it is pathetic someone analyzed a poker movie, yet you talk about replaying the video in slo motion analyzing his mucked hand.

Thanks for the laugh.

Best part of that hand is when the azn ships, the n1gga ships, the villain ships and bond ships.

Azn shows nut flush and n1gga tables underboat with a wry smile like it's dem nizzles!

Actually no I was told and it was confirmed on another forum quite a while back. Anything else you want to talk about Mr. Knots because you just blew my ****ing mind.

My life tilt came right at the line you quoted.

Why? The misuse of the word PIEROGI when worm was stealing from Roman and Maurice.

Mikey clearly says they are "Russian outfit guys" when worm is on his hot dog break (interesting to note he can't even put ketchup on a hot dog properly but can deal the Ace of Spades from the bottom of the deck on cue) Well if they are Russian, they have little clue what Pierogis are. Here is a pic for NVG readers would like to dabble more in the kitchen with the Slap Chop and ginsu knife than on the green felt (thank me later):



The word 'Pierogi' is primarly used by Polish people. It is a dumpling filled with dough....sort of a cross between a ravioli and something you'd order at a 'Wok n' Roll.' (little do the Chinese know, whatever American suggested that name for their restaurant chain was shi**ing all over their attempts at pronouncing proper English)

Russians call them Vereniki and they are usually filled with meat (a pic of which is shown here):




To the uninformed NVG reader, one would think "what the f*** is this guy talking about...those are both the same"...to the native polish taste bud, it's like comparing a Kielbasa link to dog shi*. You simply don't compare or mix up the two.

So, perhaps this is a wink and a nod to the viewer Worm was Polish, and with all his mechanics in dealing, he was even trying to baffle the Russians further by naming culinary dishes they've never heard of.

But this gives the producers too much credit in my eyes. I believe it is poor research on their part, and disrespect to Polish and Russian viewers of Rounders. They couldn't have put in more time researching this topic? A life tilt indeed...

That's what he says in the movie ("Not even Teddy KGB is immune to getting a little rattled"), but how can him being "a little rattled" be better than Mike actually knowing whether he's bluffing or not with 100% certainty?

Two things.

1. Ed Norton improvised that line.
2. Does Worm seem like the kind of guy who would know the difference?

I've never read Euro Rounders ty

How do you know this?

Are you telling me James Lipton interviewed him on "Inside the Actor's studio" and said, "Okay Mr. Norton...the scene where you play the card game with Roman and Maurice...tell me about the 'Pierogi' line... How did that come about?"

I believe it was mentioned on the commentary.

First of all... you take all the fun out of life.
Secondly, even tho i am of Polish decent(very small amount) I assume they our both "Idiots from Northern Europe" amirite??

ChadBroChill!

Solid thread

If they make a second rounders and it involves online poker you know Worm would get Mike's account banned for 2 months for multi-accounting in the same tourney from the same ISP address.

That would force Mike to play brick and morter again....

First I wondered why anyone would call the OP a huge fail for this spot on post but then I realised this was 2plus2 (NVG of all places), the home of many thousand Einsteins!!

In fact what OP describes is exactly what I come to my mind every time I watch the film, the poker is not completely ******ed but simply doesn't fit the image of the sharks it is supposed to portray.

The one hand that appeared weird to me was the Michael "Jacks up!!!" McDermott's hand 477J2 board. I remember thinking why on Earth would KGB insta call this and why 2 pairs with the second pair on the board? It would have ben more intuitive to have had Mike on JT and a KT3J5 board and KGB getting a bad beat cos he might have had top pair on the flop (that would explain the you got lucky with that jack on the turn bit from Teddy). How counter intuitive from a film making standpoint to do it like this. At first I though this might have been based on the book and the film makers wanted to stay true to the book and not change the cards but... there is no book!! I mean Mike has 1 pair really with a second on the board. Last time I saw a A5AAA board on Stars, I didn't jump up and down because I had rivered quad aces!!!

I do realise that Rounders needs to appeal to the general public and it means the poker could not be that elaborate and the script had to include some chiches so that everyone could follow. On the other hand, if you make a film about poker it has to stay true and be realistic, especially since poker players will be the most qualified to comment on it.

It's a balancing act. And I must say Rounders did that amazingly well, only introducing cliches that helped telling the story but never gratuitouly. If you wanna see the counter example and the way NOT to write a script about a specialist subject, have a look at 21, a film littered with painful cliches as well as having next to no cinematic value. Even I as a non blackjack specialist, I can work out most of it is utter BS.

Oh and I was suprised you left this one out OP. In the first scene where Mike flashes his whole bankroll losing A9 against AA on a As9s8c flop, 9h on the turn and 3s, Mike flops 2 pairs and go on about how he overbets the pot because KGB is too smart to fall into the value bet trap. KGB calls him and he say "my guess is Teddy's on a flush draw". But hold on he's not going to call an overbet with a flush draw, the pot odds aren't there and the implied odds aren't even that good. If KGB is as good as he says, he would only call with a made hand. And it certainly seems strange for Mike to insta put him on a flush draw having just flat called an overbet! That's probably the one hand you would NOT put a good player on in this situation.

Then comes the showdown where Mike shoves with the second nuts and where only a flat call makes sense. Now again if KGB is as good as he thinks, he would only call with the nuts, he's not gonna call with a flush when the board has paired!! Mike's massive raise shove on the river is a complete donkey move since he can only be called by the nuts and he's not gonna get paid by a flush.

So Michael McDermott tells Knish "I know I'm good enough to sit at that table"? Well I say "Good luck in Vegas but Durrr's gonna smoke you Mickey!"

Nice bump, but OP >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your bump.

I liked the OP, take the time to write about poker and a movie you love, your right, some are going to type a criticism just cause they can, but write what you want and dont apologize, the douchebag smartasses dont make this site go, the people who contribute real content make it go, anyways,.......

something very ironic happened in this years main event, matt damon, acts weak when he is strong, I think a full house, its real obvious and Im thinking, man how ironic is that, the actor who starred in the most famous poker movie ever, playing the best player, mikey, does this amature acting job . hold on ill try to find a link.... http://www.cardplayertube.com/media/...p.06_-_Part_1/

its also ironic because this is what caro calls, tellls from actors in his book. so ironic, where are my pants,.?

tl;dr

That's what I was wondering.

Haha lol

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is it me...or was this just a MOVIE!!!!!

Because he opted to put him on tilt to win his money fast that night.

No this has nothing to do with EV or variance and ranges existed in the old school. The fundamental notion of pot odds was always there and Mike seemed to show no understanding of that.

i actually always assumed he had AT due to the fact that he doesn't 3 bet preflop, just says "ah k" and tosses in the 100 chip when mike doubles it