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Robbi's wild call with J4 vs Garrett Adelstein on Hustler Live Robbi's wild call with J4 vs Garrett Adelstein on Hustler Live
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View Poll Results: Was cheating involved?
Yes
395 45.04%
No
482 54.96%

09-30-2022 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by scottyno
Doesn't she have hendon results going back to 2010?
Maybe.

Faraz came in the chat to watch his student, his words in the YouTube chat, not mine. When people asked about her or their relationship he said she is new and he just coaches her. Maybe he meant that he started coaching her in the summer. People in the chat were throwing a lot at him and he was just giving simple and easy answers. Don't shoot the messenger.
09-30-2022 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Go Get It
I don't think anyone here really thinks she was cheating, but even if you do, she was a underdog when all the money went in.

J4 off was actually worse off than 87cc there.

How do you cheat, and call it off when you're statistically behind?
There are devices that tell you which seat wins the hand.
09-30-2022 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by PuckFokerGo
I don't think she cheated, but do you not understand basic math? Pot odds?
?

My premise is such that she can't really be cheating just to look for a spot to get it in behind even if the pot ev is correct to call.

Anyone who could cheat in a game like this would never find this exact spot to pull the trigger, having to know its going to get dissected.
09-30-2022 , 12:18 AM
With folded cards she wasn’t even an equity favorite, I feel mindfxcked. Yeah there’s 50k dead out there, but unless she’s being signaled every hand why would you choose this spot to cheat and fight for 23k ish in expected.
09-30-2022 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH
There are devices that tell you which seat wins the hand.
?

Even if this exists, what evidence could you possibly show that she was using it on live stream here?
09-30-2022 , 12:20 AM
No cheater sits down again to play after a debacle like that.
09-30-2022 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Superman707
Now theyre getting Ryuskes side of the story.

"She have Jack Crub. She Brock Frush draw"
Gotta love Ryusuke, beautiful human.
09-30-2022 , 12:26 AM
People saying she just started playing this past summer (a few months ago) which would explain her how atrociously she played this hand... but she has Hendon Mob results dating back to 2010.

So if she's been playing poker for at least 12 years and probably watched poker too, how could she make a call this horrendous with jack high unless she knew Garret's cards or knew they were worse than her cards?

Not that it is any of my business but where is she even getting money to play? Who has enough money to just give someone $125k back just because they're nice? Or to call off $125k with jack high just to hope their opponent has 8-high or worse?

None of this makes sense.
09-30-2022 , 12:27 AM
She just goofed up whether the the self professed hero call was a misread hand thinking bottom pair or maybe confusing her flopped back door draws were now dead ... whatever that had zero sophistication as a cheat. Cheat isn't the explanation.
09-30-2022 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by kerr
Gotta love Ryusuke, beautiful human.
Jokes aside, I truly do enjoy when he's on. He's the opposite of the steriotypic burnt out, grumpy, and brooding reg.
09-30-2022 , 12:28 AM
Garret asked her after the first board ran if she had a small pair like fives and she said something like "you're giving me too much credit" insinuating she knew she did not have a pair.
09-30-2022 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mprower92
Garret asked her after the first board ran if she had a small pair like fives and she said something like "you're giving me too much credit" insinuating she knew she did not have a pair.
That insinuates that she didn't have a pair of 5's
09-30-2022 , 12:32 AM
Just saw the J4 hand. Either she's the dumbest human being on Earth or she cheated. I don't feel comfortable giving her the benefit of the doubt in either regard.

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Originally Posted by Superman707
Andy made a good point. Robbi really has no way to cheat. Theres no device.
That's a really dumb point. Hot chick has no way to cheat? Last time I checked, everyone involved in running this poker stream is a man. The dealer was female, but that certainly wouldn't preclude her from being involved either.
09-30-2022 , 12:36 AM
Beanz told a substantial/convincing story. I’m still on the fence bc if he got her on the show there could be conflict of interest.
09-30-2022 , 12:38 AM
In the interest of fueling the "how could it have happened if it happened", Robbi has the same exact style of glasses that Vertucci is wearing every time he plays.

In the interest of sanity, she called with Jack hi against his trips a few hands earlier, then called with a flush draw when she was drawing dead. If you see Garrett has 87cc on 9cTc93d board, you're not calling with J3. I think the feel of the hand from Garrett's perspective looks incredibly suspicious, but I think she might just be bad and rich. You can see Garrett suddenly looking around though after he sees her hand trying to clock if he's being set up though. Players being set up in high stakes games is a long long tradition in poker so it's not outlandish for him to be immediately suspicious of new ppl in the game.

Last edited by RosaParks1; 09-30-2022 at 12:45 AM.
09-30-2022 , 12:40 AM
Garrett leaving after getting abused by the guy is a bad look. Seems he's embarrassed himself.

Last edited by FellaGaga-52; 09-30-2022 at 12:57 AM.
09-30-2022 , 12:42 AM
She cheated imo. Completely ridiculous on every level, with some hilariously bad attempts to explain afterwards. If she thought she had a 3 she says that after the deal, and also isn't unwilling to show her cards when they are all in.
09-30-2022 , 12:42 AM
A guy called me on the river years ago about 1500 with 9 high in PLO after tanking for like 5 minutes. Misread. Shyt happens.
09-30-2022 , 12:43 AM
Put instruments in 2 of the 3 holes and you have a very simplistic way of cheating. Hole 1 - fold. Hole 2 - don't fold.
09-30-2022 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldenBears
Look, it is a fact that she is totally clueless. Either (a) she's honest and was overwhelmed, in over her head and completely goofed, then her brain just started farting out nonsense to try and justify it and she contradicted herself a number of times or (b) she's cheating and she's so clueless she doesn't understand like even the most basic concept of how you would cheat correctly.

I've seen a lot of (a) in my life, and several times at high stakes, I've never actually SEEN (b) in my life, but I'm aware of several instances where people cheated and were too clueless to know how to do it correctly. Postle had several hands almost this bad (although none even close).

From a bayesian perspective, I think (a) is a lot more likely than (b)


I've seen people call all in just like this with hands in six figure equity pots that are 99% to be dead, and were in fact dead. And then afterwards they're like in a daze, like their brain hasn't quite caught up to what just happened, and they say some nonsense to justify it, then they say some other nonsense that directly contradicts what they just said. Their brain is just switched off, they're overwhelmed and lost. That **** happens to some people sometimes.
Very much this.
I think people underestimate how much casual poker fans / casual regs look up to the 'pros' they see on ESPN, live streams, and now vlogs (cringe) and when their poker hero (Garret) immediately berates and attacks them in a pretty brutal way in front of 20k+ viewers you could see the fight or flight panic kick in and the brain begins to mix up all sorts of ****.
Seeing her on prior HCL streams and her play tonight she's obviously not cheating and was just begging to hero call own the pros (I mean hell she called Garret drawing dead in a big pot earlier).
Garret looks unbelievably bad in this spot but what can you expect from 'class act' virtue signaler types ...
09-30-2022 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SootedPowa
She cheated imo. Completely ridiculous on every level, with some hilariously bad attempts to explain afterwards. If she thought she had a 3 she says that after the deal, and also isn't unwilling to show her cards when they are all in.
So she cheated by statistically getting it in bad and then fading two rivers?

Got it
09-30-2022 , 12:49 AM
Nice read Rosa, Watching in real time she shows no emotion during the hand. Like the casino watching when you win a jackpot on slots. You give an unauthentic reaction. Questions are asked.
09-30-2022 , 12:51 AM
RFID reader in faraz canteen

innocent people generally deny accusations...not act guilty and give the money back....
09-30-2022 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Backdoor Tr1ps
So she cheated by statistically getting it in bad and then fading two rivers?

Got it
She didn't actually get it in bad though. Knowing the cards, she made the correct call.

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Originally Posted by Duffman08
Seeing her on prior HCL streams and her play tonight she's obviously not cheating and was just begging to hero call own the pros (I mean hell she called Garret drawing dead in a big pot earlier).
So she can make a mistake calling off with Jack high but she can't make a mistake when cheating? That logic really makes no sense whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Duffman08
Garret looks unbelievably bad in this spot but what can you expect from 'class act' virtue signaler types ...
There are no class acts in poker. Poker is a very dirty business which is primarily partaken by people of low moral character. I do agree that many casuals are oblivious to this, but certainly nobody in this forum should be.


edit: btw, I 'm not in the "She Cheated" camp. I'm in the "You're naive as **** if you don't think it's possible that she cheated" camp.

Last edited by Dream Crusher; 09-30-2022 at 12:57 AM.
09-30-2022 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
She didn't actually get it in bad though. Knowing the cards, she made the correct call.
Yeah, she actually did. And again, she still had to fade two rivers....even after Garrett was cool running it once.

Why would a cheater give an extra card in that spot?

      
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