It’s a very bad look for Garrett , he has made millions playing these terrible players on this stream, and he loses one time and can’t handle it. Even if he was sure he was being cheated , he should know that being able to prove it would be very tough , just eat it and leave the game, taking the money back from her is a terrible look for him

Literally every single part of this hand and interaction points towards cheating.

Terrified of calling top pair for half pot at 50/100 but now happy to raise call J*3*o here for at 10x the stakes oook

And when she realises millions of people are going to see this she instantly offers to give the money back, its atleast a little suspicious don't you think

By far the most likely thing is that she had information somehow that she had the best hand, so decided to raise and take it down now, but when she got jammed on greed got the better of her and she called anyway without understanding the implications of the call

I've always enjoyed watching Garrett and respected him as poker player. He should laugh at this and continue to play.

If it's cheating it will come out, he doesn't need to be involved in investigating.

What the heck is 130K anyway to him? I know its poker and every pot means something but come on

He definitely hindered his rep here, it was tough to watch.

130k is a lot for Garrett, this is his job

He's only up like 1.5 million overall on Hustler, right? So it's almost 1/10th of his total income from all the time he's spent on the stream.

So I would like to bring up another recent sick hand with a similar insane call that happened recently on stream for comparison purposes :



In this game you have the 7-2 rule and everyone is very splashy/fearless.
Rui Cao ends up making one of the most insane play of all time with seemingly absurd calls flop/turn.
But nobody ever accused him of cheating to my knowledge, why is that?
Because his play actually makes sense as crazy as it looks at first glance : Tom Dwan represents very little given the preflop action/runout/7-2 possibility and there is the added bonus of making history if he is right plus he must not care too much about the money.

Now back to the hand in question, no matter what you might say about blockers or the action or garrett being aggressive, her call with J high here makes no sense at all whether we are talking about the hand seriously or even in fish logic.
If it made any sense in her eyes she would be able to say something like she can beat some weak suited connectors or whatever but she babbles to no end like she is engaging in some sort of hamster rationalization and is completely confused now that she got caught. She would also feel happy/shocked herself instead of embarassed and defensive like here. The whole reaction after the hand is very suspicious.
Then she explained later that she was staked during this game by RIP so it's not the same as punting your own money because you are so sure of your read : you will have to justify your play later on to the one whose money you play with.
If she did it for fame, she would also react differently.
This case is full of contradictions for someone not cheating.

one argument against cheating i dont like is "why would she do that if she was flipping" or "if he wins one runout he isnt complaining"

ive heard of compromised shufflers before, and that means IT'S POSSIBLE she knows if she'll be good, before the river.

There are more facts for cheating than for a fishy play:
- she played poker for more than 7 years.....
- she played very very different from first stream (scared, reserved,... folded JK and AT pre for open raise... and now defeats J4 off...)
- many controversial statements ("thought you had ace high", ....)
- her speech in the hand shows, that shes not a big fan of gman -> after punishing gman with "herocalling", you wont react like her -> you were happy/proud/feels like the king/... -> she reacted, as when this was totally normal and predictable -> everyone would have smashed the winning hand on the table after seeing gmans 8 high...
- why gave back the money when u made the "play" of the year vs the "biggest enemy of hustler casino"...


The system/method can tell, which player has which card-placement, means you can know that you will have the winning hand (from all dealt hands) or you will be better than gman (for example). In this case on that hand, robbi wouldnt have had the winning hand from all players, but will beat gman.

Problem is, when you get dealt K3 off and you know, you will win the hand (from all players), but theres a four-bet in front of you -> you clearly have to fold or you should

Like some people mentioned, to call pre (which was out of line and she didnt ever do in stream before), to call flop (floating?) and to min raise turn, you had to hope, that gman wouldnt raise all in.

I think heres the mistake from her -> she had to fold! but to know, that she has the winning hand and the fact, that its gman + the money she investet, she made the mistake and calls off.

Her reaction, more precisely her NOT reaction after winning that hand, are obvious for knowing the outcome.

Some month ago "Skillsrocks" would have made some bucks (he could see the cards from Barry) but after getting megalomania while the stream, it was obvious for every person, because he exaggerated the situation and the hands he played).

I think the same mistake made robbi with the J4 hand.

Iam sure, her pokerknowledge would have allowed better justifications than hers after the hand and in the interview (which where contrary anyway).

The transmitter for this method could be in her bottle for example...

I mean, the cards where exposed in this moment, when you put them in the field, even when the stream has a delay.

So technically its definetely possible and no witchcraft.

Even when she "only" saw gmans card, i doubt she would like to flip for this amount vs. this exact hand... and the preflopcall (in this case) makes no sense also...

They would have to continuously update her/the program update her on who now has the winning hand after someone folds, which requires someone live viewing the action, which now means the stream is hacked/they have a spotter/an inside man. This also creates another layer of cheat mistakes, where the person with the info would also know she has j4(and presumably would only have j high as the winner on the river) and vibrate her to let her know that she has the winner, instead of just letting her muck pre.

Dont know if she cheated or not, but its not nearly as simple as how you are putting it.

Comparing this to skillz is very unfair, as he is caught in 4k hole carding someone, and here we just have peoples feelings and theories, many of whichi are very ill thought out, so far to date.

This whole situation breaks my brain. You could make a good argument with lots of supporting evidence either way. Everything about this is strange.

Her thinking she had J3 makes the most sense, and it would probably explain why she was so weird and defensive since she may have just been embarrassed for misreading her hand. But on stream isn't she staring at her hand on the turn for like 15 seconds? So that seems out the window as well.

IMO there was probably something going on in her head. I've been in situations where I've made galaxy brain decisions vs. tricky opponents in weird spots, only to realize afterwards I messed up a key component of the hand and that my play actually really really bad. What exactly she was thinking, who can say?? But that seems more likely than "she was cheating". Of course if it turns out she was I would not be surprised at all, in fact the only logical stance to take right now is "who knows??"

I think one possibility is she saw Gman's cards (as seen in 2:07:41 in the full video). He opens them in a way where it's conceivable she saw them. Then she doesn't realize unintentionally seeing someone else's cards is not really considered cheating, so she has to try and explain something that is indefensible and doesn't really know how to come up with a plausible explanation strategy-wise.



I think another possibility is she has a brain "fart" or misreads their hand. As someone that's played a lot of low stakes poker, I've seen some completely crazy hands the fish lost that made 0 sense. Most times at casinos those cards don't get tabled though so you don't even know it happened. I played at a casino with digital poker tables that let you see the loser's hand when they made the call and lost (like some online poker sites). I've seen people call multiple streets with 5 hi on a board like AKT72 and then they said "I thought you were bluffing." It's like they didn't even stop and think "can my hand beat a bluff." Most people won't say "I made a play that made 0 logical sense because I had a brain fart, am bad at poker, or misread my hand." These were people that regularly played as well, and not literal first timers. Sure it's not common, but it's not like you have to have a certain level of knowledge to be allowed to play poker.

She even says "I just want to call to see it." This is also something total fish do that think they have some small % chance of winning, but actually do just want to see the hand despite any math. She also says, "this is a pure bluff catcher," which to me indicates she doesn't even know what a bluff catcher means (unless she thought she had J3), which is another indication she is a total amateur. A bluff catcher means something that beats all the bluffs, and there's heaps of bluffs Garrett can have that she loses to. Then the first board is TT939 and Garrett says "that one is you," and she replies "I don't think so." Meaning she probably didn't really put Garrett on a specific hand or think anything through, she just didn't think he had trips. Obviously if she thinks that, the play makes no logical sense, but again, just because you play poker doesn't mean you have to play logically.

Refunding the money doesn't really implicate cheating, imo. She probably felt very pressured by being repeatedly questioned and doesn't care that much about the money and is paying to make the situation stop. I've done similar things, albeit on the scale of $100 or less.

So who is the girl? Some IG trollop?

Yea the people mentioning solver approved stuff before were especially hilarious. Who cares what a solver says when she clearly doesn't use one.

option A: She and an accomplice has hacked the RFID/stream of HCL. They used this perfect information fed to her in real time to play J4o preflop and get it in flipping on the turn. She's also literally the greatest actress of all time after the fact.

option B: She's a donk who wanted to hero Garrett.

hmm

I don't know guys. This is a real tricky one.

She was probably just hungry.

whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?? What is this, RUSSIA?

This is kind of what I think happened. She probably doesn't see the exact cards but if she sees it's two low clubs, then everything about it makes sense. All the weird explanations & backtracking, plus the fact that she gives the money back. Not 'cheating' exactly but definitely unethical and certainly nothing as sophisticated as wearing a buzzer and having an inside man, etc. etc.

Dont forget to add to

A; She kept playing in a place she could get arrested ruining her life/getting money confiscated even though she had the perfect out to leave after G man was treating her the way he was. She stays the entire night. I guess she went and flushed her device down the toilet after paying G man "his" 135k?

I'm not saying she cheated but literally everything she says and did afterwards make me think she did

of course he's never reacted like that before.
he never got called by jack high no draw before.
The fact he reacted completely differently to a bizarre situation he's never encountered before and never will again doesn't mean she cheated.

Her flip flopping also doesn't mean anything. She's a poker tard. They say weird inconsistent stuff explaining their "logic" of why they did stuff in hands all of the time.
The amount of braindead hand explanations I've heard over the years is mind numbing but it's also why poker is profitable.

Add in the fact she's being attacked by the end boss and it makes even more sense.


As an aside- I'm sure one of these years in some big tournament, be it the WSOP main, big WPT or whatever there is going to be a huge cheating scandal. People having access to hole card info in real time with millions of dollars up top is just begging for it.

Slept on this and woke up thinking that anybody who thinks cheating was involved is just insane. The power dynamics and social context make her agreeing to give the money back totally understandable, she just didn't want drama and thought that giving it back would make this go away.

She got tired of Garrett bullying players, maybe misread her hand maybe not, and decided to call him down with J high just to **** with him. Turns out she won, and Garrett had a big man baby meltdown and couldn't believe that he'd lose to such a "bad" player. We've seen this before, good players with huge egos who forget that Poker is a game where you're supposed to ridiculously lose in every now and then, as that's what keeps bad players coming back to the game.

I didn't really like Garrett much to begin with, but I have zero respect for him after he doubled down on this today. What a giant baby. Who cares whether she can explain why she made a bad play or not, there's not really any evidence of cheating, if there is it'll be found, and it's not her responsibility to explain why she did a donkey thing and won against Garrett.

Grow up.

/thread

Does anyone think Garret gives the money back if he won both run outs?

Probably not

So he just freerolled her in a huge pot. This makes him look so bad

you're a fool if you honestly believe this. Even Negreanu says she beat him fair and square. Listen to her post game interview with Ingram, 100% convincing. She would have to be the best actress in the world a million times over otherwise.

Gman couldn't accept getting outplayed and whined like a b. along with a death stare against a lady. really classy buddy

This is the smartest and most correct post I've read on this forum.

I mean again I don't think she cheated but nothing she says is convincing, she changes her story 5 times, keeps contradicting herself and offers up explanations that make zero sense

saying he got 'outplayed' is like losing a Wordle competition because your opponent correctly guessed QAZAX on the first try

makes way more sense that she caught a flash of his cards & played accordingly. or came up with some galaxy brain play that made zero sense and couldn't recount her logic. or maybe she is wearing a buzzer! none of us can say and we'll probably never know!