Had a solid lol at this. Well done

Yes, and that is why the variants have a tendency to come into existence and foster their initial cases in 1st world countries, whose populations tend to have a much higher vaccine uptake, and why you don't see these new variants appearing out of the blue in poorer countries like Brazil and South Africa, whose populations have a much, much lower rate of vaccination. Oh, wait a minute .....

There is a giant silver lining to all of this imo. Perhaps, some director is going to come along and make a movie out of this. But wait, there is more! Mike "the Situation" (and tax dodger) Sorrentino from The Jersey Shore would get the new acting gig and probably play the part of Rob Mizrachi in the movie too. And Daniel Negreanu would be played by Tobey Maguire. How awesome is that people!

Yeah I don't care about any opinions in this thread but that was so many pictures and genuinely gave me a chuckle so I thought i'd let you know your efforts weren't wasted.

I've got to admit. Your post made me break out my card again and look. It is so flimsy and unofficial looking I don't know how anyone could get prosecuted for having a fake one unless they got caught red handed, soliciting for one. I'm staring right at mine as I type and it looks like it could be a fake.

I got the first jab at a temporary mass vaccination site near my house on 6/9. They copied my name and DOB from my license and handwriting on the card. They placed a label with the date over the spot for the 1st dose. At least the label looks professional and has info on it, lot# , etc

By the time I got the 2nd jab all the temporary places were closed due to lower demand, so I had to go to the CVS. First one said they were understaffed and weren't doing any that day, went to one a few miles away. Young guy comes out, gives me the shot, takes my card and in handwriting (no label) writes phizer, ewolf (I guess his name) 7/10/21 CVS. Thats it! Anyone could have written that.

I can't imagine things on the back end would be any more organized or accurate then on the front end regarding the vaccine databases. It would boggle my mind if anyone could get convicted for having a card and not getting vaccinated.

My card doesn't look real and it's legit. I'd imagine even if a fake someone could just say I don't know what to say...... I went to CVS and this is what they gave me, I have no idea why I wouldn't be in their records.

I'd imagine WSOP put the vaccine card mandate in effect to try to accomplish two things:

1) cover their butts a little

2) deter unvaccinated players, sort of like businesses often have fake cameras up in stores, simply as a deterent

I can't imagine there will be any enforcement whatsoever other then seeing a vaccine card. They aren't going to be doing any investigating. Maybe I'm wrong and they try to match it up to some vaccine database. I wouldn't think so, but I could be wrong.

What will happen is some young guy who had bragged to friends about using a fake card will win a bracelet and someone will talk. He will lose his bracelet and cash. I look forward to that.

The main thing a vaccine mandate does for me is it means I don't have to wear a mask for hours at the table. That is a big deal to me. I wouldn't be going if I had to wear a mask while playing. What fun is that?

Where are you getting your data?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...de-by-country/

1. UK - 436,550 delta cases
2. USA - 334,167 delta cases
...
20. South Africa - 6,532 delta cases
...
25. Brazil - 4,629 delta cases

As of 9/20/2021.

No masks is huge. I haven't been able to keep up with the Vegas mandates much. So you are saying in order for players to be able to play mask free WSOP would have to insist on vaccination cards? If thats the rules in Vegas by all means that would be the #1 reason WSOP would requite vac cards. Great point.

I think you took this out of context.... the current clowns in office said that trump said the vaccine was safe but the doctors/scientists did not, they would not take the vaccine since trump is A) not a doctor/scientist B) offered up injecting disinfectant as a solution

Delta originated in India, buddy. Beta originated in South Africa, P-1 in Brazil.

I took it in context. There is no reason to bring Trump into the discussion at all. That's making it political. Just say "If the doctors and scientists recommend the vaccine, I'll take it". There is no need to add "But if Trump says to take the vaccine, I'm not taking it". That last part is wholly unnecessary and turning the vaccine into a political device. Who the f cares what Trump says? The only reason to bring Trump into the discussion is to score political points and to make the vaccine political.

As to injecting disinfectant, Trump was talking about possible solutions. Ijecting disinfectant is obviously stupid and Trump is an idiot. He also mentioned somehow getting it into the body though. For the record aerosolized hydrogen peroxide is used to treat covid in some cases. This is breathing in disinfectant. Not injection, but disinfectant being used in vivo.

TIL that Will Failla sure is responsible for a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with the original post.

So where are you getting your data that these variants are running rampant in Brazil and South Africa and not in more highly vaccinated countries? Why is there only 25k cases of delta variant in India, but 436k cases in UK and 334k cases in USA?

Vaccinated individuals are providing an evolutionary competitive advantage for vaccine resistant strains and more infectious strains. I'm not saying to not get vaccinated, it still provides protection from more serious symptoms. Especially if you're older or obese you should get vaccinated. But to blame unvaccinated people for the propagation of variants is ignorant. They are less likely to get or spread variants of covid since they'll be exposed to regular covid. And they'll develop a more robust immunity against all forms of covid than vaccinated individuals.

What I do understand is the ethical problem created by people who agree to come in vaccinated to protect all players and then commit fraud, endangering the entire community of players by allowing far more contagion to spread, and killing people as an inevitable result, is not different than a person who lies about being HIV- to a sex partner.

It's about the lie.

I suspect if you were remotely correct about anything in your posts that attorneys would have monetized the negligence of people spreading the common cold or criminalizing the conduct as it results in between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010. Like they did with HIV.....

I wrote my name and dob on mine. The dose is just a sticker they slapped on and then they dated it.

FBI has no time for a message board rumor, what are you guys talking about

I had no idea there were so many docters, lawyers and scientists on here. Seeing all these authoritative posts is very reassuring. Everyone seems to know everything!

My observation is and has been that this pandemic is evolving and changing, week by week and month by month. What is right today might be wrong tomorrow. Based on all the information out there currently, being vaccinated also seems like the best course of action to protect yourself and others around you. To put it in poker terms, I like those odds better than chosing door B. Other than that I'm not interested in preaching to the unvaccinated among you.

Getting back to the original topic of this thread I do know that at least in California there is a database for all people who have been vaccinated. When you get the shot your data (and ID) is entered into that database immediately. I watched the nurse do it and asked him what he was doing. To circumvent this system you would need a vaccine card and ID that matches someone who had been vaccinated.

Myself, I would not be going to the WSOP if this mandate were not put in place, and I'm double vaxed (Caught it early in 2020, taking six weeks to recover. Yes, it was HELL! Got vaxed also early this year, April and May). For someone to flagrantly attempt to cheat the vaccine mandate for the WSOP is very bothersome to me. I would like very much to know the outcome of the information provided here a few days ago. How many people did he sell cards to, who are they and what is being done about it?

This is the third time you are saying this in this thread.

-Vaccinated persons tend to have the virus for shorter periods, which means less transmission in the long-run since instances of the virus are likely to have less time to spread. This is good for the population. We have known this for at least 50 years.

-Unvaccinated persons tend to have more long-lasting bouts with COVID-19, which provides more chances for mutation since the virus is multiplying more within that person. A mutation is not some fabled evolution of a sentient virus. It is generally a copying mistake which is continued if the virus is not being stopped. This is why vaccines do prevent variants; because they stop the virus within the host before it can become a serious infection, and because they slow the spread of the virus.

-Bacteria does grow resistant to antibiotics and this is something medical science has to work against. COVID-19 is not a bacteria, though.

-Medical science has come so far, and not trusting the thing that has gotten humans to this point is a strange hill to die on. The people badgering you to get vaccinated are scared, and would like to stop being so. They have family members who are scared, and would like to go back to a normal life. They have lost ppl to COVID-19, and are bitter. Politicians are always some bitchasses, but scientists are dedicating their lives to studying this kind of stuff and helping us, so it's really strange to peddle your own poor understanding of science in this kind of debate. If you don't want to get the vaccine, that's okay. Don't interfere with the people that are trying to save lives though. It is disingenuous, and shows you do not know where you are existentially.

I come in every day to read WSOP threads. Every day I lose respect for the poker community as a whole. Both sides are morons. He who argues with an fool is an idiot.

If this dude is selling fake ID'S he should be arrested simply because its against the law.

Does anyone have an actual defense of forging vaccine cards in a positive moral way? Any reasonable moral system should find that to be unacceptable. So what gives? Are people just admitting they have no problem with lying and forging medical documents that claim you have a vaccination to an infectious disease?

You don’t have to be any of those things to be able to read and comprehend things they put out….. Also, this is one of the most intelligent message boards on the internet on avg. There are many of those things listed that post here and many more that were perfectly capable of being any of those things and chose not to.

First of all I'm vaccinated and not against the vaccine. It's effective at reducing the likelihood of death or severe symptoms. Get it if you want it.

But the narrative that the unvaccinated are the cause of spreading more infectious variants is simply false. You've heard of breakthrough cases right? These are vaccinated individuals who still get a more infectious variant of covid and still spread it at the same exact rate as someone who is not vaccinated. Unvaccinated people are more likely to get the alpha strain of covid which will result in them building more robust antibodies than getting a vaccine.

Vaccinated people are MORE likely than the unvaccinated to get a vaccine resistant and more infectious strain of covid. Because the unvaccinated are more likely to have had regular covid which provides more robust antibodies than the vaccine. This is why we have more delta cases in the US (and UK) then the rest of the world. The vaccine is putting evolutionary pressure on the virus for more infectious and vaccine resistant strains to survive.

Maybe I'm not explaining it well because I'm an idiot. Here's a mainstream article citing a French virologist who won the nobel prize for medicine (aka not a quack scientist).

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world...ier/ar-AAKmnJr