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04-25-2012 , 01:13 AM
Been watching this for awhile. I met Slim a couple times, just always seemed to me to be an ol boy that liked attention. Hughes seems to be cut from a similar cloth. Don't know if the two were only children, seems plausible. If not, at least one is an only child and the other is the baby of the family. I don't know what Slim is guilty of in his life, and I don't want to know. Maybe he is dyin' now, maybe he'll live another 10 years. All I know about him is that he is a character of poker. And poker is a part of all our lives or we wouldn't be here. Each time one of these old guys pass, we lose a little bit of what brought us here. Here's to Slim and Hughes and all the old dudes that are poker, self created or not. It's all about the game.
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04-25-2012 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by shug_bomb
who admits to caressing/stroking a young child's thigh while she straddles the gearshift in a pickup truck and asking her how good it feels. that's the extent of what this con-man ADMITS. he's obviously a complete scumbag and if you think the story ends there, then you're just the kind of person who slim has made his living off of for the past 60 years, and i feel sorry for you.
I'm still at a loss to understand how showing affection (or possibly sympathy - it must have been uncomfortable where she was sitting) for a young relative in a pickup with other people in it is pedophilia.
Maybe I should have had my grandmother & aunts dragged thru. court for the horrendous hugging & kissing I endured as a child.

Considering that is the one incident (as far as I know - happy to be told otherwise) that resulted in a charge, I think it reasonable to assume nothing "worse" happened within the family.
Noone else has come forward stating they know anything extra, so I'm happy to say the story ends there.
I don't need your sympathy, but thanks anyway.

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also, if the family is so devious and morally barren that they would fabricate molestation charges against slim for profit, then is it completely out of the realm of possibility that they would also extort him financially for a recantation of said allegations? even if you could produce the affidavits, which you can't, it wouldn't mean **** anyway.
Yes, you think he's an evil old man & nothing will change your mind. We get it.
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04-25-2012 , 09:36 AM
There were multiple counts of indecency with a child. There was a plea deal down to assault if he plead "no contest", which he did. He spoke about only 2 of the counts in an interview with Nolan Dalla. It's too bad there wasn't an interview with his grand daughter at the same time because all we hear is Slim's side of the story. Here's the interview he did after years of complete silence:

http://www.pokerlistings.com/a-legen...nce-pt-1-38457

Do you really think the DA would bring charges against Slim and ruin his reputaion because he touched a childs leg and said something mildly inappropriate? If you do I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

For what its worth, I think Nolan Dalla didn't ask enough of the right questions. What happened while she was sitting in his lap in her bathing suit that she was acting out later that resulted in one of the charges?
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04-25-2012 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by cwilli26
Check out the title of track #12

"Days Go By" is the first single from the new Offspring album of the same name, Days Go By, which will be released in early Summer. Here is a sneak peak of the track listing to whet your appetite...

1) The Future Is Now
2) Secrets From The Underground
3) Days Go By
4) Turning Into You
5) Hurting As One
6) Cruising California (Bumpin' In My Trunk)
7) All I Have Left Is You
8) OC Guns
9) Dirty Magic
10) I Wanna Secret Family (With You)
11) Dividing By Zero
12) Slim Pickens Does The Right Thing And Rides The Bomb To Hell

Haven't found the lyrics yet.




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04-25-2012 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Hughes
Historically, counselors and law emforcement thought accusations from children of sex abuse had a very high chance to be true.
And so they do. Don't be confusing instances where a child has been coached into making an allegation -- either by a poorly trained counsellor or a bitter mother seeking to remove access from the father -- with a spontaneous allegation of sexual abuse from an infant child. Those actually *are* almost always true, though there isn't always sufficient evidence to take them to successful prosecution.

Me, I don't know whether Slim diddled his grandaughter or not, but I do know this: if you've raised the kind of family who are prepared to make this kind of allegation against the aging patriarch -- presumably in the hope of getting a slice of his dough -- then you've got bigger problems than I have.

And if your feckless and broke ass kids have watched you amass a fortune by tricking and deceiving other people out of their money, then perhaps one day those kids might decide they can get a slice of what's yours by tricking and deceiving people about your activities? Some people might not see a distinction between seperating a sucker from their money with a well crafted prop bet, and doing it with a false allegation of child sexual abuse?

But I do know this: if one of my kids had made such a false allegation about me molesting my grandchild, I'm struggling to think of circumstances under which I'd forgive them.

OTOH, if it was a true allegation and they were lying to get me off the hook, I could bring myself to play happy families again for the sake of appearances...
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04-25-2012 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Hughes
<SNIP>
Then these accusations started being used in custody battles, and divorces (like this one} where there was an argument about a financial settlement. I checked in Amarillo and this young girl's parents signed sworn, notazized statements that Slim was innocent. She recanted. If she says Slim in innocent, how could anyone on here say he is guilty?

He never pled guilty, he pled "no contest" which is different, but the next poster on here will say again that he pled guilty. That is a lie.

I know it is not popular to defend Slim, but I do strongly believe it is the right, Christian thing to do.
Well, it's not all that different...

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Nolo contendere is a legal term that comes from the Latin for "I do not wish to contend." It is also referred to as a plea of no contest. In criminal trials in certain U.S. jurisdictions, it is a plea where the defendant neither admits nor disputes a charge, serving as an alternative to a pleading of guilty or not guilty. A no-contest plea, while not technically a guilty plea, has the same immediate effect as a guilty plea, and is often offered as a part of a plea bargain.[1] In many jurisdictions a plea of nolo contendere is not a right, and carries various restrictions on its use.


Residual effects

A nolo contendere plea has the same immediate effects as a plea of guilty, but may have different residual effects or consequences in future actions. For instance, a conviction arising from a nolo contendere plea is subject to any and all penalties, fines, and forfeitures of a conviction from a guilty plea in the same case, and can be considered as an aggravating factor in future criminal actions. However, unlike a guilty plea, a defendant in a nolo contendere plea may not be required to allocute the charges. This means that a nolo contendere conviction typically may not be used to establish either negligence per se, malice, or whether the acts were committed at all in later civil proceedings related to the same set of facts as the criminal prosecution.[3]

Under the Federal Rules of Evidence,[3][4] and most state rules which parallel them, nolo contendere pleas may not be used to defeat the hearsay prohibition if offered as an "admission by [a] party-opponent".[5] Assuming the appropriate gravity of the charge, and all other things being equal, a guilty plea to the same charge would cause the reverse effect: An opponent at trial could introduce the plea, over a hearsay objection, as evidence to establish a certain fact.[4]
Slim plead no contest as part of a plea agreement. He was innocent but he wanted to spare the family that was railroading him a trial. They were lying about him and he wanted to make it easier on them.

Such a good, good man.
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05-12-2012 , 12:57 PM
obituary from The Economist magazine

http://www.economist.com/blogs/gamet...12/05/obituary
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05-12-2012 , 01:03 PM
i love amarillo slim
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05-13-2012 , 09:15 AM
Given that Slim has passed, either a title change of this thread or a locking of this thread with a creation of a new one is in order.
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05-13-2012 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Doc T River
Given that Slim has passed, either a title change of this thread or a locking of this thread with a creation of a new one is in order.
Done (changed title).
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05-13-2012 , 02:28 PM
"He was innocent but he wanted to spare the family that was railroading him a trial. They were lying about him and he wanted to make it easier on them."

Is this something slim said, or are you inferring this somehow?
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05-13-2012 , 06:10 PM
RIP Slim!! thought it was pretty cool to see Ivey show respect by tweeting about his passing..especially since he hasn't tweeted since black Friday i believe
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05-13-2012 , 08:01 PM
R.I.P.
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05-13-2012 , 10:13 PM
RIP Slim
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05-14-2012 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by rakemeplz
"He was innocent but he wanted to spare the family that was railroading him a trial. They were lying about him and he wanted to make it easier on them."

Is this something slim said, or are you inferring this somehow?
In an interview with Nolan Dalla, Slim told Dalla the following:

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NOLAN DALLA: Some have speculated as to the reasons for your guilty plea. They suggest it might be justifiable for a man in his late 70s, facing possible jail time, to accept any deal which would keep him out of a Texas prison.
AMARILLO SLIM: That's not it. I would not have had to fight the case in court much. It would have been very easy for me [to win]. But I didn't want my family dragged through a trial and being made my enemy in the court. I didn't want my 12-year-old granddaughter to have to take the stand.
The interview can be found here.
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05-14-2012 , 12:54 AM
RIP Slim
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05-19-2012 , 11:18 AM
While reading The Economist obit on Slim, it dawned on me that there's something more pertinent to Slim the poker player that hasn't been discussed.

That's the fact Slim didn't win the WSOP. He was allowed to win. My source? Doyle Brunson's book Godfather of Poker.
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05-19-2012 , 11:44 AM
^Can you elaborate a little pls? I guess I could use google
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05-19-2012 , 04:18 PM
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^Can you elaborate a little pls? I guess I could use google
No one wanted to publicity that winning a huge poker tournament would bring to them. They worried about the tax implications and the notoriety that could cost them an edge in cash game.

Slim volunteered to be the "winner" and they allowed him to call himself that.

My source is the man who was running the Horseshoe poker room at the time of the early WSOP's.
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05-19-2012 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GoDeViLs
^Can you elaborate a little pls? I guess I could use google
From page 135 of the second printing of The Godfather Of Poker, "We came right out and started playing crazy so we could let Slim win." The story is a lot longer in the book, but I thought I would quote a very telling passage.

The we in question was Doyle and Puggy Pearson and neither wanted the publicity they thought would come from winning while Slim did.

In the final analysis, Slim may have been given the title, but he did a lot for the WSOP and poker in return.

How do the rest of you feel about Slim being given the title?
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05-19-2012 , 05:46 PM
RIP, a legend has left this planet

Slim, anything to win documentary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GEGhFmWFVA
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05-19-2012 , 08:24 PM
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How do the rest of you feel about Slim being given the title?[/QUOTE]

[Grain of salt]

Let's say they did let him win an eight man satellite...now you have what we have today.

Don't forget that at one point Slim had almost nothing and either doubled or tripled up with Ace-High.
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05-19-2012 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Crane
[Grain of salt]

Let's say they did let him win an eight man satellite...now you have what we have today.

Don't forget that at one point Slim had almost nothing and either doubled or tripled up with Ace-High.
I think it was king high.
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05-20-2012 , 06:10 AM
Doesn't seem like there's much doubt about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Wo...ker#Main_event
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05-20-2012 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Blizzuff
Doesn't seem like there's much doubt about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Wo...ker#Main_event
I didn't realize there was a Wiki article about it. I'd take the words of Slim with a grain of salt as it seems to conflict with the retelling by Doyle in his book.
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