cliffs:

one guys opinion vs another guys opinion and mostly blahblahblahblah. some theories have some substance, while most are just lol. we are basically just waiting to see what happens at this point, as it is out of our hands. all we can realistically do is find a link ITT so we can make our voice heard.

http://www.angrypokerplayers.com/

does anyone know the new ub web address, i have some points on there that i want to burn but dont have it on my computer

Just feel like throwing out that a lot of losing players would owe taxes if they hadn't paid them as well. lol tax laws

Atleast one good thing has came out of this mess

howard lederer's net worth has probably been slashed by 50%

that's because he's likely to be paid by some form of gov't to troll, spread disinformation and fear. there's been an influx of that as of late.

Wondering if other governments will make similar moves. Online poker legal and tax free in Britain, seems too good to be true...

Why would they?

I mean, there is an ongoing process in many countries looking at regulation and licensing - but why would this have any effect on that process? This hasn't changed anything which wasn't changed in 2006.

hahaha If you could denounce my posts as being untrue then I'm shure you would have done by now instead of these lame putdown comments.
Answer me this:
Who did something illegal??
Who cant get their money out??
How long ago did the poikersites get told they couldnt take money from us players??
Did the fbi say the wagering is legal or illegal on pokerstars.com??
Why do you think they felt the need to put in there the wagering is illegal??
Theres no real answer to this one as we just dont know, butI'd say it's most likley to make shure they got as much cash as possible if the sites got found guilty.
And i'd also say the only way youll stop them keeping your money would be to say you didn't know it was illegal and reclaim from the gov.
You really think the sites would tell you your money was in danger and risk losing everything?
Prove me wrong, answer my questions...

First of all I will say hi to everyone as this is my first post on 2+2. I think that what has happened to you American players really sucks bigtime. Anarchists across the world go home after their daily killing spree, eat their evening meal and then sit down and enjoy a few hours of online poker. In America you work your asses off all day and then go home to find out that not only can you not play poker, you can't access your funds either. Hmmm, something about freedom and democracy just doesn't add up here.

Ok, introductions and comments over, now to the reason for my post. Even if what I say only helps a few of you it will be worth it.

I have noticed whilst reading this thread that a fair few of you can still access your account and can still get onto tables though you can't withdraw money nor can you transfer funds. Transferring funds might be a bit dodgy right now; God knows what the Fibbies are watching concerning funds. However, there could be a way around this if you have someone you trust outside the USA. This is what to do.

First use a VPN if you have to so you can login and play. Now go and play heads up with your trusted friend outside the USA and LOSE !!! Make sure he beats you out of everything but don't just give it away. Chat on Skype and discuss the hands you are playing if you have to so you can at least make the losses appear genuine. Once you have lost all your roll (or whatever percentage you want to withdraw) your friend can then cash out and send you a cheque (or cash or whatever).

If you do this then I don't see any reason why you can't get your funds other than your friend ripping you off. I would be prepared to help anyone but obviously I don't expect anyone to trust me even though I am genuine and really would want to help anyone I could. I do have a way for people to get small rolls out with minimal risk using someone outside the USA but I won't post it here. You have to chat privately with me. Not saying you'd have to use me to do it, just that it's a way to get your cash with little risk of being ripped off or discovered and I am prepared to tell you how to do it.

I look forward to the day when all this is cleared up in America and you can all get back to the tables. We miss you fi.....erm...guys already!

Best wishes from your English cousin,

The Judge

I don't think the people in other countries bragging about how they can still play understand how fragile this whole thing has become.

It takes 1-2 Euro countries to start to kick up a fuss about this before 2 things happen:

1) European players start pulling out funds from a site like stars because they don't feel like running any risks (and that's already happening now)

2) Between the money seized and the funds players start to pull, certain sites simply don't have the capital available to run.

So I wouldn't keep large sums on any site if I were you. Also did anyone post this yet?

What I know is that I requested a withdrawal 25 hours ago and I haven't received the money yet. I have never had to wait that much. And support isn't replying to emails.

What people need to get out of their heads is that the sites are being charged with illegal gambling.

They are being charged with bank fraud and money laundering.

Someone says that eyery twenty pages too.

+1

Posted earlier, I'll post it again:

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.

Upton Sinclair

I'm worrying about this to.

+100000

-Long awaited fallthrough of house of cards
-Poker players are angry

People from europe, withdraw from visa, thats how i have been able to cash out, but not via moneybookers...

Really funny...You sir are just ignorant

I am a Canadian and I am willing to let someone play on sites using my accounts.

What's it worth ?

something tells me acc sharing is against the TOS

Yea but how can you be sure it works when the money should show up in bank account sometime next week hopefully?

i'm from europe and still cant withdraw from ftp using moneybookers, transaction denied and cant use this method anymore, i'm trying to withdraw some of it on my card now and after 1 day is still processing. Anyone from europe manage to withdraw from ftp? how? Thanks!