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Reuters: Full Tilt Poker, Pokerstars and Absolute Poker charged with illegal gambling Reuters: Full Tilt Poker, Pokerstars and Absolute Poker charged with illegal gambling

04-16-2011 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by zaphkr
This is a criminal matter, not a civil matter. There may be a plea agreement but there is no settlement possible. There will be a trial without a plea agreement or charges being dropped. Could take years (think of Barry Bonds and BALCO)
No, in fact there are both criminal indictments and a civil forfeiture case.

Still, will likely take years.
04-16-2011 , 10:09 PM
Yeah I can't believe you Americans aren't doing anything real about this. You speak so highly of your liberal values and your freedom, yet I dare to say that your freedom no longer exists. I don't want to drift off topic with the patriot act and the war on drugs and whatnot, but it's some serious **** when they are incriminating someone for playing online poker. I know that's not why they are prosecuting FT, PS and AP, but it's the reason for why they are doing this.

You should fight for your rights in a world where our governments no longer care what their people want. I should know. Being Swedish and all. Yet I can blame my people's lack of balls by being brainwashed by leftists for 100 years. Tell me, where did the American lifestyle go, eh? Was it all a dream? Fight for your rights! Demonstrate in numbers of millions in D.C. or whatnot. This affects the entire globe, because it's just too dangerous keeping one's funds within any of these sites at the moment.

Regarding these unfortunates events, I personally am indeed very sad. I hope, however, that this can lead to something good. Perhaps America goes all civil war and Europe follows, and we bring down our governments and we can all live in an economical market free from socialism and government control in all its forms.
04-16-2011 , 10:09 PM
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04-16-2011 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by thegoat916
that's a Porsche. or ~33 ounces of gold that will double in value in the next 2 years.

just saying...
04-16-2011 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by espm
Quote from article: "the revelation of PokerStars-sponsored foreign trips by Nevada Legislators, and news of nearly $300,000 in political contributions by PokerStars to Nevada legislators"

FFS. WTF did PS (and FT???) think they were doing? Did they think this would have gone unnoticed.
Welcome to democracy...
04-16-2011 , 10:11 PM
Fulltiltpoker.co.uk:

Full Tilt Poker™ Supports Poker Players And Its Chief Executive

Dublin Ireland (April 15, 2011) - Full Tilt Poker is saddened by today's charges against its CEO Raymond Bitar and offers its full support to Mr. Bitar and Nelson Burtnick.

Online poker is a game of skill enjoyed by tens of millions of people in the United States and across the world. And, Full Tilt Poker remains as committed as ever to preserving the rights of those players to play the game they love online.

Mr. Bitar and Full Tilt Poker believe online poker is legal - a position also taken by some of the best legal minds in the United States. Full Tilt Poker is, and has always been committed to preserving the integrity of the game and abiding by the law.

"I am surprised and disappointed by the government's decision to bring these charges. I look forward to Mr. Burtnick's and my exoneration", said Mr. Bitar.

Unfortunately, as a result of this action, Full Tilt Poker has decided that it must suspend "real money" play in the United States until this case is resolved. However, Full Tilt Poker will continue to provide peer-to-peer online poker services outside of the United States.

For more information, please call +442032877138

About Full Tilt Poker

Full Tilt Poker™ is the host of a worldwide virtual poker cardroom service. It is not in the business of betting or wagering and does not participate in the games as a player. It merely provides a service to those who wish to test their skills against others for fun, prizes or money. It is duly regulated and licensed by the Alderney Gambling Control Commission. With innovative graphics, superior customer service and a safe, secure interface, the software is geared to enhance and personalize the online poker experience. Although virtual poker is legal where the games are hosted and played, it may not be legal where individual players are located.
04-16-2011 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoulder
55 hour live stream of poker news

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/quadja...medium=8011069
^^^^^^^^^^^

great info and the guys are pretty funny
04-16-2011 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SleightOfJam
Welcome to democracy...
lol yeah. This is how politics works. You pay $, you get what you want (mostly). This is how politics has worked for over 2k years.
04-16-2011 , 10:15 PM
It seems that the US players that are still on just never logged of or closed the client which means they haven't installed the updated software on full tilt yet
04-16-2011 , 10:15 PM
I feel bad for the guy that won a sat seat into the Onyx Cup 100k buy in event. Not only is he out of online poker, but the Onyx cup was cancelled. If I was him, I would find Lederer and kick is ace up and down the Belogio.
04-16-2011 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jmaddox55
The UIGIEA actually does not deal with individual online poker players. It makes online sports betting illegal and also goes specifically after payment processors and banks who knowingly deal with online gambling sites. To prove this, google UIGIEA and try to find 1 case where an individual has been found guilty of "illegal gambling." You won't find any cases (because the UIGIEA does NOT make online poker illegal).
Essentially with FT/PS/AP providing real money poker to USA players specifically the DoJ feels that they have a case for both. I understand what you are trying to say jmaddox55 but your wrong here.
04-16-2011 , 10:15 PM
is this just come down to people not paying taxes or something or is this a usa law
04-16-2011 , 10:16 PM
its weird cuz there are still usa players on bodog i think i seen earlier today
04-16-2011 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by incarnated
Yeah I can't believe you Americans aren't doing anything real about this. You speak so highly of your liberal values and your freedom, yet I dare to say that your freedom no longer exists. I don't want to drift off topic with the patriot act and the war on drugs and whatnot, but it's some serious **** when they are incriminating someone for playing online poker. I know that's not why they are prosecuting FT, PS and AP, but it's the reason for why they are doing this.

You should fight for your rights in a world where our governments no longer care what their people want. I should know. Being Swedish and all. Yet I can blame my people's lack of balls by being brainwashed by leftists for 100 years. Tell me, where did the American lifestyle go, eh? Was it all a dream? Fight for your rights! Demonstrate in numbers of millions in D.C. or whatnot. This affects the entire globe, because it's just too dangerous keeping one's funds within any of these sites at the moment.

Regarding these unfortunates events, I personally am indeed very sad. I hope, however, that this can lead to something good. Perhaps America goes all civil war and Europe follows, and we bring down our governments and we can all live in an economical market free from socialism and government control in all its forms.
Lol, we can't even stop our government from invading countries and killing people who have almost no means of harming us....I don't think we'll be able help out on poker
04-16-2011 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by addyrutt
is this just come down to people not paying taxes or something or is this a usa law
Taxes. Finally the losing ppoker player has the last laugh.
04-16-2011 , 10:18 PM
This lawsuit has nothing to do with poker and everything to do with financial regulations. The indictment (suggest you all read) may charge them with operating an illegal gambling enterprise but thats just the frame. The real charges (the ones with 20 year and 30 year sentences and fines of 1,000,000 or double the gross (7 billion?)) are about financial regulations and how they bought a bank, paid off the bank manager to violate the UIGEA, then bragged about it, ad were going to buy 3 or 4 more. They dared the Govt to go after them. I love poker, been playing holdem for 16 years, online for 9, these guys were idiots and we will in the end get a better service, because the marketplace demands it. PLEASE DONT WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN, OR TRY TO SUE THE DOJ. iF YOU WANT RESPECT, DO NOT COME TO THE AID OF ******ED BUSINESSMEN WHO CUT AND DRY BROKE THE LAW. PRESENT A RESPECTFUL FRONT, NOT ONE WITH NO STANDING. They arent after us, people are going to get paid, we will get online poker in the next 3 years, thats that. Read and be educated. dont just say "Oh no poker, f*&^ the DOJ, F*&^ our govt. Our govt is right about this we just dont like it. you cant process gambling proceeds as jewelry and golf balls, just stupid. (yes they did that. ) And yes it violates financial disclosure laws.
04-16-2011 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by IwillDie4TheCause
Are you the same darkelf from full tilt forums, if so, hi from DCR
Hi DCR - yes, I am TheDarkElf.
04-16-2011 , 10:20 PM
At least gambling is not completely illegal in the US. I still have faith in the land of the free.
04-16-2011 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by espm
Quote from article: "the revelation of PokerStars-sponsored foreign trips by Nevada Legislators, and news of nearly $300,000 in political contributions by PokerStars to Nevada legislators"

FFS. WTF did PS (and FT???) think they were doing? Did they think this would have gone unnoticed.
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Originally Posted by SleightOfJam
Welcome to democracy...
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Originally Posted by bobjones
lol yeah. This is how politics works. You pay $, you get what you want (mostly). This is how politics has worked for over 2k years.
Yeah but PS, FTP, et.al. are foreign corps. We prefer our bribery home-grown. We don't take to kindly to foreigners bribing our officials.
04-16-2011 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Raker
Lol, we can't even stop our government from invading countries and killing people who have almost no means of harming us....I don't think we'll be able help out on poker
Ah. True dat, I suppose. I guess democracy was just a dream after all. The truth is, we would all last better without governments and without elections. It doesn't matter if you have Bush or Obama. If Sweden has Mona Sahlin or Fredrik Reinfeldt. No changes are made. No revolution. It's all going to hell. Poker included.
04-16-2011 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MyDixEnormis
lol at this whole black friday thing, Americans are just blowing this whole thing way out of proportion.
Yeah, because this is such a small issue.

Moron.
04-16-2011 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by One Voice
Transferring money is not illegal, transferring money for illegal purposes is.
Financial disclosure laws regulate the fact that you cant lie about where the money came from. Just like you cant go into a bank with 12 miillion dollars in drug profits and deposit it ina brand new just opened account (anything over 10k gotta fill out some forms), you cant do that on a wire and lie about where it came from.

So transfereing billions and lying about where it came from is definitley illegal and also is transferring money for illegal purposes.
04-16-2011 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by addyrutt
its weird cuz there are still usa players on bodog i think i seen earlier today
why is that?
04-16-2011 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by thegoat916
that's a Porsche. or ~33 ounces of gold that will double in value in the next 2 years.

just saying...
Double? Really? Are we that screwed?!

Cheers
04-16-2011 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bobjones
lol yeah. This is how politics works. You pay $, you get what you want (mostly). This is how politics has worked for over 2k years.
No it's how it works in the US, in the rest of the world politics might be influenced by money and business, but it's only the US where it's controlled by it.

The controversial parts of the reports linked to earlier was that it was a foreign company donating to the politicians.

$300k from a US casino - politics as normal
$300k from an online foreign casino - ****CRIMINAL ALERT****

      
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