Ya I read the whole thread. You pulling made up stuff out of your butt is not helping your cause here.

Your banned from the discord and gg for cheating so your opinion does not matter. sorry

In the screenshots I've provided about your GG chat, were you not racist?

Telling people to go back to Russia?

In case you didn't know, Canada highly values diversity and encourages people from all cultures to come together. Diversity is our strength. We welcome EVERYONE.

You clearly do not share any of the Canadian values by insulting people (presumably immigrants and other people seeking for a better life in Canada) and telling them to go back to their country of origin.

GG admins clearly agree with that as well, as they have permanetly removed your chatting privilages for being racist (as well as having no integrity by revealing your hole cards so other regs can lose).

the case is not held up by one fact tho. the case is proven correct by the fact that even if half of the evidence is wrong. they are still mathematically working together. Do you understand that even if 4 of the 12 listed things are true that makes it a multitude of 1 in a trillion that they are not aligned?

So now that we have deducted they are aligned they are either a call center/bot team or a stable. If they were a stable someone in ontario would know one of them and they would have nothing to lose from coming out and saying they are a stable. We can assume they are not a stable



To address the troll. Saying go back to Russia is not racist lol. No one cares if I got chat banned from gg for saying that. Im clearly implying they are bots since Russia is often associated with botting

It shows your true character. I've never heard of any Russian botting until the recent ACR events (other than your random claims but I treat it with a grain of salt).

Just as I thought you could stoop no lower, you come rambling into GG poker chat and proved me wrong. A racist and close minded man child who only cares about integrity when it suits him.

No, I don't. Can you show the math you used to arrive at this conclusion?

Russian bot rings have been a thing for the better part of a decade. The most famous bot forum is in Russian. Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus are the most likely locations for a bot to be from.

So maybe you just don't have any insight into the subject. It would help everyone if you stopped posting your ignorance all over the thread.

If Target truly thought it was a bot, why did he even bother typing to the bot in chat? Clearly it would have no impact.

So he's clearly using the cover of "it's a bot" to justify his blatant racism.

bots have operators he used emojis to flame the whale who donated me like 1000bb and it triggered me. Here is what a bot farm actually look like for the uneducated

https://twitter.com/i/status/1742932679132319932
https://twitter.com/i/status/1742938642979389818

Evidence 12


The first picture is what your random regs name change history looks like. The others are the suspects. They have been active for 400 days. Its pretty sus their only name change happened within 48-72 hours is it not? Considering most regs like me who have played a similar amount of hands have change their names up to 5 times over the same amount of time

This kooky guy clearly has mental issues.

I fail to see how this is anything but a description of a group of rakeback grinders.

Every winning player on ggpoker is a "rakeback" grinder. Do you think a discord with countless fulltime pros who all think these account are sus are wrong? Based on your post about me in the other thread you seem to be quite mistaken by the quality of players who think something is up this is not a bunch of people on reddit claiming poker is rigged. People who play these games everyday and make a living from them are quite certain something is up.

11 "rakeback grinder" would not play exclusively 8-4am during the hours of the toughest field in Ontario. all at the same time
11 "rakeback grinder" would not game start 1$ all in or fold games while playing with 4k+ in cash games
11 "rakeback grinders" would not all be unknown players in a small poker community with a discord of 700+ semi serious or pro players and alot of people who know each other irl
11 rakeback grinders" would not play a combined 15 million nl200 hands without ever once shot taking nl500
11 rakeback grinders" would not all get together and start +ev satellites at 3am
11 rakeback grinders" would not all use the same seating script which includes never using the waitlist feature which is something literally everyone does.
11 "rakeback grinders" would not ignore the leaderboard placements which is literally rakeback and a very high percentage too.
11 "rakeback grinders" would not all change their username within a 72hour window

Not sure why I am responding to you based on your post history but thanks for bumping the thread


Also this is Canada we dont have what you consider a "rakeback grinder" you need to make like 60-80k a year minimum to make playing poker to make it worth with the cost of living in Canada

Mods should close this thread.

It’d be much better if they closed your account.

This is your response to a list of things that prove these aren't rakeback grinders, which is what you claimed in the previous post? Are you an idiot?

First of all "toughest field in Ontario" is hilarious. GG Ontario is probably one of the softest pools on earth. Also, tf not?

tf not? I've legit done this myself to give my brain a break and break up the monotony

tf not? Sounds to me like you and your semi pro friends are the ones doing something shady when 11 people can't play poker without remaining unknown to you and your booger flicking friends

tf not? Lots of people never move up

tf wouldn't they start +ev satellites at the times they play?

It's been known for a long time you can bypass the waitlist on GG by opening the table and clicking open seat when someone leaves.

I mean this is all super silly. None of these things are even remotely suspicious, and mods should close this thread.

Pretty sure you fail at a lot of things others take for granted

Movin.target writes this:

And then when someone points out his 10 points are not suspicious and indicative of these players being some form of rakeback grinder or prop writes this

So movin.target makes 80k a year in rakeback alone on one of the softest pools on earth, and then claims that 11 people that look like exactly like they are grinding the pool for rakeback simply cannot be doing that because they would need to make 80k for it to be worthwhile. So he's already doing exactly what he claims is proof of malfeasance.

This thread is 1) A troll 2) a low IQ misrepresentation of what's actually transpiring, or 3) a weak and malicious attempt to get these 11 accounts banned because movin.target doesn't like them.

Mods should close this thread.

As I’ve said before, moving target is mostly stuck at 25nl and 50nl while these 11 regs he’s naming are usually playing 100nl/200nl.

Target would love to move up but he legit is just a bad player, so this is just a malicious attempt to get them banned so he can move up.

The actual good regs at 100/200nl have no problems playing against the 11 regs but Target can’t.

So he’s resorting to slander and fiction writing in order to try and get this done.

Thankfully the people who actually have power (OLG and GG Poker Support) see right through his bs

Next time you post this you will be banned.

Alright, I'll share my opinion.

First, MoViN.tArGeT your feedback and opinion it's highly appreciated, secondly the mods for allowing this thread to gain some attention, where everyone can form their opinion. Now, as a someone like you who lives in Ontario and plays online poker for a living, this is what I have to say.

It's at sole discretion of the operator (poker provider) to ensure they attract as many within Ontario on their client, and that being said if you believe this "group" of whatever they are is costing you a certain amount of profit playing against them, then your option is to not play against them, or overall not play on the client, and do it elsewhere. I'm sure by now you've reached support, and that's the most you can do. Personally, yes I agree with you on certain things, because I saw a recent example of how a bad beat jackpot they won. Short story, the hand in place was "soft played" amongst themselves, so in the process they pay the minimum rake, while maximize their odds to take advantage of this promotion, and in the process win the money that's contributed from rest of the players that aren't "soft playing" amongst themselves.

In the end whatever they're doing they're also paying rake, and that includes BBJ rake, even if it's minimal, because from what I've seen they're all extremely nitty, and that's also part of "soft playing", and not reaching the 30BB to pay the same BBJ rake normally others do, but in the end as you've noticed they're not taking advantage of the leaderboard promotion, but still winning decent money from it.

The players or "consumers" always dictate and decide where they participate/play, and thankfully because of that online poker will never be consistently in a bad place. As long as there's money involved it will be in everyone's interest to deliver the best or "better" service compared to their competition, and that is why even if one country may not provide a good poker service for its citizens, they still have the option to move elsewhere. If mods eventually choose to close this thread it will be because it's already gotten the attention you wanted, where it's been consistently bumped, discussed, and overall visible to the community for quite a while. The topic was discussed, argued, debated, etc. and most already formed their opinions on this matter (or I hope).

Finally, because Ontario is a regulated market that GG went to great lengths to obtain and maintain its license, if necessary I trust they would vet these individuals through whatever security they have in place, so there won't come a point where they are at risk of losing their license over this matter.

but did 11 clones of you do all of these at the same time? thats what your brain is missing. its not one person doing weird things. its all of them at the same time. every day. for a year.

One person doing all of these things is weird and a "rakeback grinder" 11 people doing this is a mathematical anomaly that can only be explained with nefarious intentions.

As someone who beats the site and min maxes rb I can compare what I do with what they do. And what they do not makes a lot of sense for a winning full time player let alone a stable of them. They make collective non human decisions . You said they are "rakeback grinders" but on gg you must know what the lb is. They will stop 10 points from winning the lb everyday. And its not just one of them. ITs 11. The lb is worth like 50% rakeback a day if you min max it. They do not do this they punt it away. I beat them by 2 points everyday which probably makes their rakeback go down like 10-20%. Thats just one example their is countless.

Hronmeer i think your giving a newly formed small government office too much credit. Maybe in the future they will be good but I imagine they currently are awful and we still have to do the police work

Well if you believe people like Kooky these guys couldn't possibly be making 80k a year because they are so bad (we think they lose at 4-7bb/100 at nl200 .
When I was talking about 80k a year I was referring to your 2010 small brain thinking of what you think a rakeback grinder is is not these players. a rakeback grinder is not even a real thing/term every site has an effective rake and you use the rakeback to decrease the rake.

Playing for rakeback is only a way a fish looks at it. On ggpoker.ca no one beats rake so by your definition 100% of the players are rakeback grinders

heres matt roberts year graph tldr he made 130k (-39 total +163k rakeback)

Now the funny thing about matt roberts is he is the last thing I think about when I think of a rakeback grinder. He is a low volumn high stakes player and has a full time job. I have done his volume in two months. This guy goes for quality over quantity.

My point here is to just explain how stupid your point of playing only for rakeback is

This will be my last post here. A rakeback grinder is definitely a real thing and has been since sites started offering rakeback 15 years ago. You can be a losing player and still make money after rakeback, and some people choose to use this strategy and tread water. It has happened on basically every site since online poker began. As limon and others have mentioned, props are a real thing too and you just brushed that one out of the possibility bowl without even offering anything but your increased certainty as an argument.

Your posts are full of contradictions, and sorely lacking in anything but pure speculation, some of which contains internally inconsistent logic. You say no one grinds for rakeback because they'd have to make 60-80k a year to pay bills in Canada, then you say you yourself make 80k in rakeback alone. You say these aren't bots, but then claim they are inhuman. You say they are colluding with each other, but then say they're all huge losing players that can't be breakeven or slightly losing regs. You say they are colluding on BBJ, but then wave away the fact that with their volume, they're most likely down on BBJ rake compared to BBJs they've won. Then you say no one on the site beats rake, right after you say you and your booger flicking friends beat the site.

Now if you genuinely want to convince a smart person that something shady is going on, I'll suggest a couple things:

1) Offer strong arguments without internally inconsistent logic and contradictions
2) Offer actual evidence instead of just hearsay to back up those arguments.
3) When someone gives you an alternative as to why your conjecture on a topic might be wrong because there are more probable explanations, don't double down, ignore it, or increase your level of certainty. Instead, carefully consider they might be right, and attempt to disprove their counterargument using 1 and 2.