agreed but we still have to pressure them. ggpoker.com and acr have less bots and superusers this week because of community pressure. Ontario Canada already has that independent regulatory body your talking about they just suck. so lets pressure them to suck less. with are help maybe it can become something that saves online poker.

Question would be posting videos of me playing them hu and abusing their tendencies and showing their absord lobby usage help here? We have no access to datamined hands for the people who need to see classic raw data

naive much eh?

The difference between the "bots" that are here is that they are massively losing players (in the range of at least -10bb/100 to -100bb/100) while the bots on ACR are winning millions.

Somehow, Target (who plays for a living at 25nl), still struggles to beat them.

Didn't see this thread until today, but good work OP on the detective work.

I don't really see what the point of this botfarm would be, though. What is GG gaining by doing this?

They are not losing players. if they were losing players they would not have played a combined 20+ million hands because they would not have the money or incentive to do so. if you post they are losing players plz post your evidence troll. I estimated they have taken a million dollars out of the pool. They have probably won close to 300k+ in jackpots alone. This can be seen in the jackpot history tabs

over a year ago Ontario with a population of 15million launched a ringfence regulated market mostly around sport betting and online casino with poker thrown in. Licenses were highly sought after and up to 4 licenses were given to poker sites that also offer casino. Even now I doubt a site like gg cares much about its poker section and only use these sites to attract people to its online casino where the real money is.

Ontario has a higher gdp then country's including Sweden and Norway more then Finland and Denmark combined. Its a major market so you can understand why they would fight for a piece of that.

It has

Pokerstars
ggpoker (they originally partnered with wsop but kicked them to the curb) I wouldn't be surprised if his is how gg was able to secure its license
partypoker
888poker

All launched sites with insane overlay and rakeback in an attempt to gain marketshares over its competitors. Everything was overlaying and the sites didn't care they were shown willing to lose alot of short term money to gain marketshares. Heres my mtt sharkscope results from the first few months of the launch.



I will make 80k Rakeback this year alone playing cash games with nl50 as my average stake. the rakeback system is probably better then stars old supernova elite system (no pvi). GG has shown it is willing to make no money short term to win longterm market shares


GGpoker is winning the cash game market by far mostly because of these 11 players starting tables so there is quite a lot of incentive to allow or run a botfarm. Its possible it is incompetence's too

Source for this? Because AFAIK GG is still running online WSOP events and ClubGG is still offering free packages to live events, so the partnership remains in effect.

It's impossible to gather cash game evidence for specific players on GG without them willingly giving up their hand histories (which they won't).

Now from my experience and other players, no good reg struggles playing against them so clearly they are losing players. You say otherwise, because, well, you're just a bad poker player who struggles against the weakest of regs.

You keep bringing up jackpots. It is literally a 0 EV thing. You claim they've won 300k+ in jackpots alone, but they've easily contributed that amount based on their volume.

You say they've played 20 million+ hands. Assuming only 5% of hands reach 30bb+ (threshold before the jackpot rake is taken), that's 1 million hands. Since they play 50nl - 200nl, let's use 100nl as the average stake. So, that means they've contributed 1 million to the jackpot fund. Clearly they aren't winning money.

Imagine if you used this effort/time of slandering a group of regs to get better in poker or life lol

Can someone give cliffs? Is Kooky one of the accused bots?

hes my internet stalker who has doxxed me in this thread and to the Ontario poker community. plz ignore him I have asked the mods to ban him from the thread multiple times. hes some random online loser I won money from who was banned from gg for collusion.

The only point he made that has some interest is he states the players are not very good. While this is true they are still winning players.

The thing is its better to win a couple bb/100 and go unpunished for a year then win at 8bb/100 and be caught instantly.

Just because me and many other people can beat them and choose to play them does not mean they are not stealing ev from the games.

The ones who get caught easily are the money takers of the world. Its much harder to catch the ones who are winning small

here https://pokerindustrypro.com/news/ar...d-wsop-ontario

originally the site was called wsop.ca and ggpoker was the minor or equal partner just supplying the software. After a couple months they rebranded to ggpoker.ca and most things related to wsop were deleted from the site. They are likely still a minor partner however I am unsure. Wsop is definitely not equal partners anymore at ggpoker.ca. If you type in wsop.ca in your web browser you will be redirected to ggpoker.ca give it a try.

As an outsider it looks like to me they used their global partnership to use wsop's name to get a license since gg has a very bad reputation among regulators since they openly allow vpns and players from banned countrys and russia.

From a prelaunch article

"The platform will launch under the name WSOP.CA in early April with the help of GGPoker’s online poker technology. The exact date has not yet been decided as GGPoker, WSOP, and the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario are still ironing out details over their WSOP.CA agreement.

This is not evidence of the partnership between WSOP and GG ending.

I don't think you understand what a partnership is (or a license, or the reputation of GG among regulators--you are 100% pulling all of this out of your ass), and unless you have an article or other source claiming WSOP and GG have severed theirs, I will assume it is still in effect.

I never said they severed ties. I said gg used the wsop name to get a license.

Its not a secret gg has a bad rep among regulators. sites like Pokerstars wont allow Americans. gg and acr will allow Americans. gg and acr will never get a license in America. You get a bad rep among regulators by doing this. that much is obvious. Im not an insider im just making comments I think are obvious

That's literally exactly what you said --> GG using the WSOP name IS a license.

They cut them as the name brand and likely equal partner to a minor partner. this is really off topic and not worth discussing

Stop making stuff up and people won't call you out for it. What is happening with wsop.ca is not evidence that GG and WSOP have altered their partnership in any way, and more likely has to do with the Ontario gaming commission and its regulations in that very specific subcommunity than anything about the relationship between the two.

do you work for gg? why do you care. can you plz tell them to investigate these guys thanks. your focusing on a sidenote . Can you supplie evidence of the gg brand getting ringfence licenses anywhere else? because this was the first and possibly last and they got in under the wsop name not the gg name. I only brought it up to explain that this site likely has independent management from the main GG global.

Your making this about the global wsop partnership which I never brought up. I never made any comment about their global wsop partnership I dont know anything about that. this is Ontario sir

Dude, stop deflecting and stop making stuff up out of thin air. Ontario's poker market is regulated by the OGC, so any games they offer in your province are going to have special agreements in place between the regulator and the casinos that offer the games. For example, in American markets where pokerstars is allowed, they have to have a partnership with a land based casino in the state in question. And yes, GG recently was approved to operate in Pennsylvania. Not clubGG which operates almost everywhere in the US, but GG poker, a Pennsylvania based operator similar to Ontario. WSOP is a brand owed by Caesar's who also owns WSOP.com which operates in Nevada and New Jersey. GG is a different company that is in partnership with Caesar's to offer WSOP online throughout the world. Whether or not they operate in Ontario or Pennsylvania or anywhere else is an open question. Nothing you have said is evidence of a severed relationship between GG and WSOP, globally or in Ontario or anywhere else. And your claim GG Ontario has different management from GG globally is made up too. Stop making stuff up.

Just to reiterate myself, Target has been known to fabricate a lot of his facts in order to further support his "theories". In addition, what he’s doing is not for the greater good of online poker, he’s been hoping to get rid of those players for over a year now in order to increase his hourly as they are better than him skill wise and put up similar volume so he'll be losing a lot of leaderboard competition if they leave.

Thankfully, Ontario iGaming and GG poker hasn't done anything in over half a year of knowing this, so clearly nothing will be done as they are the ones who can see what Target is claiming, to be completely untrue.

For anyone who needs further evidence of Target fabricating truths to support his own goals and careing about integrity only when it benefits himself.

The troll is out again admins plz. Im just giving my opinions if they are wrong they are wrong. am I not allowed to have opinions? Gg is not public about things so we have to make assumptions. We are theorizing on non public information. I never once claimed I knew everything about an offtopic thing not sure why your so butthurt.

Since you appear to work for gg can you plz give us some relevant insider information about this thread and stop derailing it about pointless things plz.

Like my pappy used to say, assumptions are the mother of all conspiracy theory posts on the internet

wdym 2+2 loves the drama. No one has done anything about this but me. So you get the good with the bad. Now your doing what you just complained about me doing while contributing nothing. amazing. I will report one post tho

Maybe your some beta cuck who allows people to give out your Name and call you a racist on the internet but that isn't me

serious question have you read the op? That's where the relevant information is anything after is mostly brain storming

Yes and I'm here just giving my opinion on the credibility of the person (you) making such accusations against a group of regs

In addition, I'm also here to shed some light on what goes on in the Ontario Poker Players discord channel which you don't mention.

Lastly, your stories are full of holes and I'm just letting everyone on 2p2 know the full story. Not just the side you choose to mention to fit your narrative.