From what I recall you said something about Chubs RTAing and playing out of country and a bunch of people jumped on you in discord. I remember because I was one of them so please don’t lie again


And about the tyler win / THE allegations

“Oh no I accused the wrong person”

Lmao, it’s not a simple “oopsie” after you accuse someone of such a serious allegation. And do you have a shred of proof about account sharing other than your anecdotal gut feelings lol

If you can’t even keep accurate track of players and events that happened within a week, how can anyone reliably trust what you’ve said in this thread to be true?

Especially considering the events have apparently been happening for over a year now according to you.

Sounds like the most likely outcome is that you’ve been filling in any gaps within that fuzzy memory of yours with what you deem to be the best fitting slander

“Oh no I accused the wrong person”

They are a ring of players working together I see them all as the same person. They might be account sharing so me getting the two mixed up is not surprising its kind of expected. It literally is a simple "oopsie"



As for chubs I even apologized and explained the misunderstanding? Like kevin hes cool with me I don't understand your point of attack here either its pitiful. What are you gonna bring up next me using the r word when I was 12?



Stop trying to make me look bad out of nothing its sad
Why is someone whos banned on ggpoker for cheating trying to be the police on morality? Oh because your a weirdo stalking troll. Plz ban him already

you know if you didn't respond to this bullshit it wouldn't have derailed so much

he hijacked the thread and you were a willing partner, good job, now any concerned parties show up, see this clown show and just laugh at everyone involved instead of taking any allegations seriously

way to blow it target, you may have been in the right, but you really ffed up even responding to any of that stuff and turning the thread into a personal spat wholly unrelated to the OP

You're entirely correct, but you gotta know that doing that is kinda targets thing

You may see them as a group working together but to everyone else they are just regs at 100nl you can’t beat

And the fact you brushed off how you falsely accused another reg (in this case Tyler win) of making games poor by flaming recs, just goes to show how little you care about etiquette and integrity until it affects your bottom line.


And about the chubs thing, I don’t see an apology lol. All I see is deflection and blaming others for your hasty accusations.

I’m sensing a pattern here. Target here always “shoots first and then asks questions later”. Makes accusations (90% of which have no evidence or very weak evidence) and then redacts his statement upon being confronted.

Or just straight up gets ignored like half his messages in discord, pretty sad life.


I’m not trying to make you bad btw, but I think it’s of utmost importance that all concerning parties are aware of the person making the accusations. Because, after all, an accusation is only as only as reliable as the person making it.

In this case, it’s target, and you can see what type of person he is by his actions on discord and responses to others in this thread. I highly advise all future parties to take his post as fiction rather than fact.

This is the 2nd best thread on the front page after Limon's AMA

If there’s one thing I gotta hand to Target, is his ability to write fiction.

He struggles to remember events that happens within the past 2 weeks, so he definitely doesn’t remember what happened in the past year.

So he just fills in the gaps with his own version, and voila, now all the regs who he can’t beat are now colluding for bad beat jackpots somehow!

You absolute beluga. Your petty personal issue with Target has NOTHING TO DO WITH NITGATE. Target merely started the thread and compiled the evidence which was gathered by multiple people, and that's so so SO unfortunate, because if literally anyone of the many people that feel affected by NitGate had simply done it instead of him we would not be having it derailed and potentially overlooked or discredited by your garbage.

the amount of dumb in this thread is mind boggling. i tried to provide some facts and logic and didnt get very far, that said, the OP did admit the thread title was misleading/wrong and asked the mods to change it which was a refreshing small victory.

This could be in a history text book for why ACR has floundered for the last 10 years despite having all the makings of a good network on the surface

Every time I read an NVG thread where shady **** is happening, high stakes regs all come in to talk about how they dont give a ****, yet when gg raised high stakes rake they tried to rally the community behind their cause. Its actually pathetic how little these clowns give a **** about the broader ecosystem. There is a reason high stakes games are drying up and mostly private now while low stakes casino poker is booming. Its because yall are actively insufferable and people don't like you. Thats why we have the largest stable of high stakes tournament crushers in the history of poker and no one watches them.

No one asked bud, why don’t you take your own advice and jog on literally and figuratively, this is an Ontario problem
Not an LA douchebag problem.
Since you’re here tho, how are you a legend 😂😂?
At over eating maybe. Doyle’s rolling in his grave , LEgend LMAO, foh!
Only dudes that look up to you are Incels and people without friends.
Thats your audience!

And kooky you’re the definition of a coward , I hope you get chin checked.

It has absolutely everything to do with the group of regs.

Everyone in Ontario has felt the presence of regs. The more regs the worse your wr is, pretty simple. I agree with you.

However, most of the evidence is circumstantial at best and fiction at worst. I’m just pointing out the holes and inconsistencies in his stories with proof

Considering this is an Ontario only pool, it’s kind of different here

Ironically, as evidenced throughout the entire thread, target is the selfish one and only cares about integrity when it affects his bottom line

However, none of the high stakes regs are stepping up to bat because, tbh, they all think target is a clown and doesn’t want to back such an unreliable and dishonest source

It's like one of those Discovery channel specials on warring tribes of monkeys. It's best to observe rather than participate or you might get some poo thrown at you

seems like a good time to bump. me and several others have asked for follow ups and have been ignored by security . many people play on other sites because of this

Interesting theory, that or bots.

Speaking of which, OP you posted this last year in the Corporation Botfarm thread, did you change your mind since then?

Yes that was quite long ago I was out of online poker for many years when I posted that it was a very bad opinion.

However I will stand by some of that post I was arguing there is few or no bots in regulated sites. (I dont even think these guys are bots fyi)

ITs much harder to run a bot on a regulated site you have to attach your real life name and job to it. so you certainly cant multiaccount very easily and once your caught you can never do it again unless your finding and paying people money to be your partner. because in a regulated site you cant just deposit bitcoin its all tracked to your bank account. So multiaccounting is basically impossible and botting would be a waste of time because from my understanding if you have a good bot. you want to have alot of them.

If you wanted to run a bot in Ontario you would need to go to your friend have him agree to send and receive stolen funds from his bank account and run the bot from his geolocation because you cant fake identity's and they track your location.

So thats what I ment by that post. I am well aware sites like ggpoker.com and acr are flooded with bots.

Thats why its so strange ggpoker.ca has done nothing about them with all the extra security in a regulated site. Maybe they are real life slaves being held in a warehouse in Toronto lmao.

At the very least they could tell are small community their investigation is over but whenever We email them they just reply with automated messages "the investigation is ongoing we cannot give you any info" or they give us no reply at all

Lets do a thought experiment and assume these guys are not cheating and take a look at what that means and what it would look like logistically if they are part of a legit stable.

When ggpoker launched in Ontario some entrepreneur saw a chance to make money. Lets assume the website had no involvement encouraging him to do so. This guy did not ask any mid or low stake guys to join his stable. we are in a discord with nearly every reg in Ontario and no one has ever come forward about offers other then 2-3 other known stables which we do have receipts for. So this guy just didn't ask any known poker player he went out and found 10 completely new players and taught them how to play poker. This is backed up by the fact no one knows any of these players in a very small community.

So how does this guy find 10 randoms to agree to learn poker and play for him for at least 1 year? None of these 11 players quit in over a year which means he has 0% turnover in his stable. That is quite absurd. Have you ever heard of a stable starting with 11 guys and 1 year later have only the same 11 guys? I haven't.

That brings me to the next question. Where would he find people willing to play small stakes poker under contract never to leave his stable while giving him a huge cut of the money? This is straight up modern slavery/bonded labor. Are these immigrants that he helped over if they agreed to work with him? you can get some pretty dark results here so im gonna end it there. Sure it could just be 10 broke ass students he found. but surely one of them would have quit poker if that were the case. These guys worked over 40 hours a week for a year. on holidays

For comparisons I also tried to start a stable when Ontario launched. I quickly realized the money was too free and no one with a brain would join a stable long-term and it was pretty unethical and quickly gave up and let them all leave within a week after they made a bankroll. I also couldnt find many people even with connections.

So ya modern slavery or cheating. kinda hoping its the cheating part

Before GG Poker segregated in Ontario I was recruited to play on GG poker by a player who funded my account through an agent. Both lived in Ontario and I was put on a rake back plan by the site that generated a kick back to the agent.

I would e-transfer money to the player who then had his friend/agent transfer money from his account to mine. If I cashed out the agent withdrew money from my account and would give cash to my friend/player and he would etransfer or provide cash. Since I played out of province we e-transfered.

I ended up binking a larger tournament and wanted a direct banking transfer. The agent just wanted to give 30+k in cash. I ended up sending in my banking info and legitimizing my account to start banking transfers.

Oh, did I leave that part out? Up until my account was proactively verified on my part it was never verified and I was able to have thousands of dollars paid out to me via the method I described above (e-transfer) I had won several cash game jackpots before I binked the tournament

The moral of this is I realized there was a subculture of accounts playing unverified on the GGpoker site, including my own, that were depositing to an agent and withdrawing under the counter through the agent. Now, if a site needs to follow proper financial transactions and guidelines to abide by governmental tax laws, they definitely weren’t doing that and I would guess still are not.

Within a month of breaking free of this shady under the counter crap my account was banned. I had noticed I was being sat by an account heads up that had a seating script and was following meup to $5-10 cash tables. I was very passionate about letting GG poker know about this and they just decided to ban me. Having a player cash out 30k+ and call them out about their game integrity flaws was a no no.

So basically one thing I saw and experienced was accounts can be made on GG poker that will never be verified and make financial transactions under the table through agents. Is it possible numerous accounts can be made and shared by one person or a stable of players. Yup. The possibilities are endless as the agent I was aware of was either friends with or had close personal ties with a member of GG poker security/game integrity (so I was told)

I would not trust GG poker whatsoever. The morality of this site and some people involved are suspect. At best.

I guess I left out an important part as it relates to this thread. Although I was never asked to collude or cheat or partake in anything nefarious, (i was rogue just looking to bink tournaments and have fun with cash on a newer platform) the fact that you could so easily make an account and play unverified would lead me to believe that what you describe above is more than plausible.

I would guess the agent and minions are whats left of the poker pipe dream and they make their money through running underground home games, pokerbros, and rakeback from any recruits like myself

Fun fact Canadians are technically not allowed on gg even over a year ago that is why we had to use agents to bypass it. They currently do this for Russians Germans etc they will blatantly break any country's laws/botcots usually hiding behind different "skins" . I think only acr and ggpoker are cringe enough to help launder Russian money currently that tells you a lot about their ethics.

This means ggpoker was breaking regulators rules before and still might be. Sites like pokerstars and wsop have respected the integrity of national laws and that's why they have usually been the first choice for regulated sites.

The main reason sites dont allow American players is because they dont want to missout if they ever regulate. If your blacklisted by american regulators when they do it your sites pretty finished.

GG on the other hand I have no idea how they got a license in Ontario without respecting its laws . Probably because they originally partnered with wsop who they have since cut ties with.

Essentially ggpoker entered its first regulated market so in theory they should need to clean these things up but i am sure no steps have been made

Normally the way you get government licenses while breaking the law is bribing people.

I would like to add to the evidence to prove they are working together. something that slipped my mind This should make it go from 10000000000000000000x100-1 to 10000000000000000000000000000x100-1

12. Every new years and at random points gg offers you to change your screen name. They also give you name changes based on secret variables. People of similar volume have been offered it 5-8 times. So on average each of these players must have been given about 6-7 name change offers 2 for each new year and 5 random ones. The only time any of them have ever changed name was after jan 1st 2023 when they all changed their name at the same time. The chance of them being given this many name changes and them only name changing once at the same time unilaterally and them not being a bot farm is pretty astronomical in itself.

Multiply this by the other 11 abnormalities and this has more or as much proof as any superuser or botfarm thread currently running. Anyone who understands statistics and probability's knows this 100% proves they are a bot farm possibly ran by gg itself so that brings me to my next point why does no one care? The other threads got on podcasts and twitter threads within days this has been sitting dormant for months. I have pmed many International poker players who never respond

My best guess is because its a non American site and my poor thread title choice. RIP Canada. But we should not be giving them a pass. This is essentially a test run for when America opens up so you guys should very much care.

As an American I acknowledge this is bad for poker and the “poker economy” as a whole.

We’re reaching a breaking point where either online goes to die or they get some sort of worldwide independent regulatory body.

I’m sure all these sites are a cash grab and they have no idea how long until they get shutdown so they are incentivized to have cheating in house.

My best advice would be only to play on sites that you are winning on if not don’t even play.

Every site has collusion and bots and may have props and super users. Anything is possible.

Per request I have changed the title of the thread (bot farm).