Target literally plays this game for a living at 25nl to 100nl. You can find him at the tables between 1pm to 4am daily grinding for the leaderboard, so he obviously has to play with these players a lot.

That’s the only reason he cares about these prop players. He’s not doing this for the sake of the pool, he’s been hoping to get rid of those players for over a year now in order to increase his hourly.

i tweeted the acr hole cards loophole and it got 125k views, i tweeted this and it got like 300, i even @ the ontario alcohol and gaming comission

nobody cares about you canadians sadly

I dont play when they play because im not an idiot? literally barely effects me except for slightly less leaderboard money but even that they do poorly because they mix stakes between leaderboards. It would be nice to play when I want tho. I do obviously worry about the longevity of the games when my 11 top competitors are cheaters from russia in an ontario only site tho.

Also who the **** cares if I have a greedy agenda cheating is cheating whats the point of your post its clearly personal.

They affect 2/5+ players the most because they farm the lower stakes and never move up. In a normal poker economy people sunrun at 1/2 and move up to 2/5 and punt it off. If half the pool is 1/2 nit bots that never move up not only are they grindingthose players but they are not moving up no matter how much they win and remove from the poker economy.

well put. sprats that are culled from the lowest stakes never move up.

It seems like Coase;s Tragedy of the Commons in poker terms.

people attacking OP are ridic. its obviously a negative for the overall ecosystem and thank you to Movin. Target for bringing this up. Had no idea why "nitgate" was such a big deal till he detailed out how they are gaming the BBJ and effectively stealing a massive amount of the $EV from everyone else by softplaying jackpot drawing hands.

in my humble opinion this is clear jackpot farming , most likely being from a team from another country.

1. groups of players playing and finishing at the same time when pool is the quietest and making up the largest % of pool amongst themselves
2. taking the most passive lines on every board that allows for a BBJ to trigger. it’s one thing to sacrifice some ev and play different to allow some bad beat hands to play out. it’s another thing to stop playing poker completely whenever a potential jackpot flop comes, you can only do this when you have a team colluding with you.

i think there is merit to not knowing a single one of these players listed playing this style in a tight knit community. it’s one thing to not know a random reg. it’s another to not know one of 10 regs who all play the same hours who seemingly play for the BBJ.

the percentage of players also sticks out to me. being around 75% of the pool is ideal for BBJ farming. 90-100% will draw too much attention to them (which is prob why they don’t play 500) while less than 75% is inefficient (they want most of the hands being dealt to be amongst themselves)

we all know gg doesn’t give a **** about VPN, huge incentive for a foreign team to take this approach.

Hi,

I came here and created an account because I am feeling the same thing.

A little background. Been playing online poker since the beginning of the poker boom. Played Tilt, Stars, went through black Friday, then played Bovada. I have been playing online poker for almost 20 years. Im from the states but live in Ontario for work for the past few years. Originally I was excited to play in the worldwide player pool as PS and GG are not allowed in a large amount of states. Played, enjoyed it, won some etc. Then Ontario geolocked all online poker and as of late, I also feel something does not smell right. I regularly feel like players are soft playing, working together, and action a lot of times doesn't even make sense. I've seen the nuts checked from the last action many times. A lot of times it will end up me and two "teammates" at a table and them pumping up every hand... until I fold preflop. Then its check, min bet etc. As of late, it seemed very ratcheted up. I have been through swings, but with certain table seatings I regularly leave wondering if I was just taken. On top of that I recognize a lot of those names. I also see people who sit in spin n gos 24 hours a day, which iI didnt think was possible.

Sure, in the past, I have wondered at times if the offshore sites back in the day were a little shady and questioned them, but that goes with that territory. But I have never felt as if people are working unscrupulously as much as I do now.

I am going to finish with this last thing. I dont want to offend Canadians or Ontarioans (?, who cares) but Ontario poker is ripe for exploitation and here are my reasons - going to any regulatory body up here I feel would be a waste of time and would take the incredibly slow moving CA governmental regulatory body forever to discover it, and by the time they do, so much money will have been lost. On top of that, Canadians (from my experience) are far more complacent in making an issue about something. Tho, I was actually pleasantly surprised to see this thread. I am happy it is not just me. So the small player pool, the archaic regulation and investigation, and the "niceness" of you folks in my opinion makes this very exploitable. And I find, if something can be exploitable, it usually is. The sites need to be investigated, and not by their own staff, or the Ca govt, but an outside independent company because its really feeling like it is getting bad.

Obviously regs are a net negative for the overall ecosystem, but a broken clock is right twice a day. While he may be acting in the best interest of the community this time, don't let the countless examples of him doing whatever it takes for his self gain.

1) Moving Target (OP of this thread) has openly admitted to mass opening tables and tanking every action in order to secure 1st on rakeback leaderboards. This occurs when it's close to cutoff time (~10 minutes) and someone is catching up to him in points. By sitting at all tables and tanking every action, it massively slows down the hands dealt, allowing the 2nd place person unable to surpass him.

Is this against the rules? Technically no. But is it scummy and selfish? Very much so.



2) Moving Target (OP of this thread) has been permanently chat banned for racist and discussing hands in play in GG Poker chat. He has frequently exposed his holdings in chat after folding in order to get regs to lose the pot or get no action. This has resulted in him being chat banned permanently (good thing tbh) from the site. In addition, he has frequently said racist and xenophobic messages in chat.




To anyone active and has influence in the poker world and is thinking of vocalizing support, is this really who you want to support?

Someone who clearly has no morals?

Someone who only cares about integrity when it lowers their bottom line line but don't mind the lack of integrity when it suits himself?

Someone who is racist?



Now, he may have a point on this issue in this instance, but can his credibility be trusted? Let's wait until some more authentic and trustworthy people in the community speaks out before making any rash decisions or rash judgement.

For all we know, this could simply be a couple regs who aren't active on social media or other platforms to defend themselves. I personally think it's fair to inform the site of our suspicions, and have them take appropriate action. Seeing how it has been months since the site has been aware and has not done anything, I'm more inclined to think that they've done their due diligence and found no wrong-doings.

Lol this is what I have to deal with from fellow Ontario regs. How do you think you got those chat logs? I gave them out publicly because they were bullshit. the toxic chat was to the cheaters in this thread after they flamed a whale.

For the first accusation I already explained. Even the guy who made that comment is cool with me. I don't see your point

have you ever opened up every table and posted/limped/opened every hand for 3-4 minutes? Ya of course im going to naturally time bank you dolt it has nothing to do with ethics its because I have way too many ****ing hands rofl
Even the guy I barely held over was not mad at me but you had to use it for your little daily personal attack?

Imagine knowing your being cheated and your reaction is to attack the person trying to make it known people are being cheated instead of addressing the problem. Ignore this troll please.

What is this a political debate smear campain? Blasting Target has nothing to do with the evidence that has been brought forth about the actual issue at hand, take your petty personal vendetta against him somewhere else and stop detracting from any possible progress we could be making to figuring out what's going on. Why are you making him the face of this issue, he's just simply put together some evidence, so people aren't "supporting him" they're on the look out for everyone who could be affected by NitGate.

While the second person may have been “okay” with it, in the sense he didn’t want to cause any waves in the discord. Let’s be real, he is a 19 year old kid who isn’t confrontational that you scummed out of the leaderboard win.

Also, I can personally attest, that nitgate NEVER flames recreational players in chat. And according to you (“The evidence, point 7”), is that they rarely chat.

Given you have no proof of them flaming the “whale” (which is a pretty predatory term tbh), what is it to prove that you discussing hands in play and racist messages towards them nothing more than an attempt to smear the regs that you just can’t seem to beat?

If you’re willing to lie about their chat messages, what’s to say that you aren’t fabricating half your “points” in order to clear the pool out of decent regs that are better than you?


Just to reiterate myself, given that the site has known this issue for months since you brought it up, I’m more inclined into believing that they’ve done their due diligence into investigating this matter and have found nothing of substance, further padding my assumption of you fabricating things to your benefit.

I’d caution everyone to take Moving Target’s (OP of this thread) words with a grain of salt until some actual well known reputable players in Ontario speak out on this issue.

AFAIK, Moving Target has presented this evidence to Egiption (GG poker pro) months ago, who looked into it, and nothing happened due to lack of credible evidence.

Make that your last post in this thread, please, Kooky.

a Nitgate player completely flamed a rec player. A rec player was going in blind everyhand and he was taunting him with goodbye emojis and yousuck emoji's every time he lost an allin .I had turned the whole table against him and we were all flaming him (rec player left right after). There was even a witness Dink Whistler 69 in the Ontario discord who literally put a bounty on him (hes probably razor bruien). I completely have evidence and witnesses lol. in the public discord your stealing info from hiding behind an anonymous 2+2 account . Thats also the same reason I got chat banned which you conveniently left out.

Now your blasting egyption too? He did help but hes a gg sponsored pro what's he gonna do? lose his sponsorship to be martyr?

Btw by admitting you know kevin by saying his REAL LIFE ****ING AGE we now know who you are you ****ing idiot. A guy who admitted to cheating in the ontario poker discord and got banned and doxxed me rofl. Can you plz stop stalking me bro its really ****ing creepy

Do we have proof that these guys are outright cheating or colluding? Cause it might actually be good for your hourly if they are **** regs and keep the games going at all hours. Something to think about...

Are you insinuating it makes him a bad guy or wrong? Such a terrible take. If the pools incentives allignes with his, why wouldn't he take action?

Controversial opinion, but I'm not entirely sure it's "obviously a negative for the overall ecosystem". Clearly if this is true, the prop players provide liquidity and more tables running. It's only bad for the ecosystem if they are unbeatable, which it doesnt sound like they are. If they are anywhere from small winners to small losers post rb it seems likely that they are quite good for the ecosystem (?) winning regs don't really represent the entire ecosystem.

Ok let's break this down.



Dink Whistler 69 puts a bounty on "T_H_E" on Nov 14th.



Your story matches. You accuse "T_H_E" of using emoji's (which is just a for fun thing tbh, nobody takes them seriously unless they are as thin-skinend as you)



On Nov 18th you accuse "Tyler Win" of reporting you and getting you banned (which matches what you said in the chat logs).

On Nov 21st, in this thread, you imply it is "T_H_E" getting you chat banned.

So which reg are you trying to frame?

If moving target can't even keep a simple fact straight, how can anyone trust anything what moving target says??

Have you ever said anything true without bending (or in this case, breaking) the truth?

Let's see some of your "evidence" now lmao


Besides that, despite T_H_E being a nitty reg, it is not excuse to be racist and expose your hole cards in chat Moving Target. All regs (regardless or nits or action regs) deserve to play in peace. Racism is not something anyone should tolerate at the tables.



About the Egiption thing, no I wasn't blasting him. If you had any reading comprehension skills, you'd realize that I was pointing out the fact he did nothing after you provided your "evidence" to him. He also didn't want to be associated with a racist.

A GG pro realized you had nothing of substance and your intentions is to soley remove regs that are stronger than you from your pools.

I just deleted one post by Kooky for doxing.

Every NVG thread allows a wide latitude of "back-and-forth". But doxing is not allowed in any 2+2 thread. Anything further along those lines will result in a perma-ban.

Moving Target has sunk to a new low. Upon conflict, he preceeds to go to physical threats.

For context, this is a screenshot of a chat sent by Moving Target in a discord server meant for Ontario poker players. He disagrees with my views, so instead of discussing what he doesn't agree with, he starts uttering threats.

Really target? First the stories that don't add up, then racist messages to the regs in chat (which got you chat banned) and now you're threatening me in public discords.

I will be keeping this as evidence. If I receive any more threats (public or privately) from you in any way I will be making a police report in your town seeing as you threatened me by knowing who I am, knowing my location, and making threats based on that knowledge.

Police would say you’re ridiculous and clearly were provoking the situation. Most likely reply you’d get is to stop wasting their time.

Kind of similar to the response you’ve received from multiple ppl here.

Oh I understand, especially here where they’re underfunded and I dont expect them to do anything.

However I’ll be able to get it on record under his name and if he ever did something illegal in the future (related or unrelated to this), it would cause the police to be more likely to press charges against him

fyi I don't think it was said so kookystrength's wsop.ca id was thief who was caught by the Ontario discord for cheating and banned from wsop.ca for soft playing his friend hu at off hours to get free leaderboard money. Not only was he caught but he admitted to it and cheating at other things and doxed me twice on that discord as well.

People from his college in the discord also claimed to know him in real life and said he was a scumbag cheater in their local college poker games. So when he posts things about my integrity to troll derail the thread maybe we shouldn't listen to him?

Kooky instead of threatening to call the police on me for mild threats why don't you stop posting if your actually worried about me following up on those threats I assure you it would end there. I understand you might not have known your id is public but now that it is and you have made personal attacks against me you have gone beyond an internet troll into stupidity

Infact I would be very happy if an admin could delete all kooky related posts. Your letting him accomplish his goal of getting the thread offtopic.

I would also like to point out since posting this thread the ring has Greatly decreased their volume and changed their hours of play slightly. So the thread has been a mild success. They spread their play times a bit more and it not 5 props at every table anymore but 1-3

+1 to deleting all messages from Kooky/target/anyone responding to Kooky/etc. to get this thread back on track

Lol Target I hope you actually know what you're talking about so you don't dox an innocent.

You've had a long history of falsely accusing people of serious violations while being completely off the mark. That's also what got you in all this trouble in the first place tbh

For example, not too long ago, you accused a well-known reg in Ontario (Silent Chubs) of using RTA and playing from outside of the province. That accusation was quickly dismissed as nonsense.

Then you accused Tyler Win of flaming recreational players when in reality, he wasn't even at the table!


This is exactly why I'm saying that entire accusation by Target should be taken with a grain of salt. He has a history of making accusations and decisions without thinking things through. This leads to the wrong outcome 90% of the time


Oh and btw, you were one who did physical intimidation threats and I wasn't threatneing, I was warning. But I guess the law or having a record doesn't affect you much if you aren't ever going to get a real job lol

How is the thread not on track? I'm just pointing out the holes in his "evidence" and his credibility issues

I already said I wont dox you relax. im not sinking to your level. also I never accused chubs that was someone else who deleted messages in discord making it look like it was me. I acually have defended chubs. I got tylerwin and t_h_e mixed up. that's wild! its almost like they might be the same person playing on multiple accounts