China stable (8 AM start time) + VPN + identity theft to make the local accounts

That's why they only use emojis, to seem active but their English is bad and would be suspicious

They play against each other and collude to hit the BBJ so often. They can play out hands that have best potential to make whatever the BBJ reqs at GG are. This is a form of EV that can't be accessed except through heavy collusion. This is what they're doing when they fill up tables just by themselves

They play the dumb $1 all in SnG garbage to attempt to make themselves look natural or throw people off. Yes this sounds a little dumb as it clearly doesn't hold up to scrutiny, but maybe they're the more straightforward side of criminals who just use RTA and see it as a profit generating scheme, have no interest in the game whatsoever

Everything falls under the radar because it passes the automated GG verification and no one at GG goes looking for no reason

Canada has a lot of Asian crime stuff so this theory tracks

As for GG's involvement in the stable, if there is some affiliation of some sort where they intentionally look the other way, we can't necessarily be sure

Bahaha I love how no one cares, all you cash players should just grow up
And play mtts.
Good detective work tho bro! Obviously cheating/ scamming scumbags. When you email GG about this they just donÂ’t care?!
I see a couple of those Ls in mtts from time to time , IÂ’ll expose them and tell everyone to check the forums and do a fair play report on them next time IÂ’m seated with them.
Why donÂ’t you and two other boring cash game players clog up their games and fight for space , try not to let them
Play together
Too many people with no gym membership or ladies , the cheating is getting cray. Bring back casino style beatings 😂

Glad to see im not the only one who thinks that's a possibility as wild as it sounds whatever is happening here is gonna be quite the story.

You just cant find 11 newbie Shitregs to grind nl50 nl/100 for you in Ontario Canada the price of living is just too high with inflation nl100 is the new nl25. So if they are a stable its quite likely they are not from Ontario. No one in the community heard anything about it so they would not have been semi established local players.

These players all started on the same day in November I remember because I would win the leaderboard everyday with no competition and then these guys all showed up all at once and every table went from 5 recs to 5 nit regs overnight.

The AIOF tables have jackpots too, pretty sure they’ve hit a few there as well

I actually have 200k+ hands against them but never noticed anything that suspicious.

But now reading this thread makes me feel so oblivious LOL.

I also didn’t know all the regs knew each other ��*��

It is their company, they are entitled to make profits from foolhardy players. This is 2023, not 1987…. Money talks in government circles and with regulators.

why not steal deposits directly

Just gonna keep posting these here so clay doll can explain how prop players soft playing each other for jackpots and rakeback is ok.

Nothing will ever get done sign. does anyone with community pull have any balls?

I mean if I played those tables I would also check KK-JJ on AAAxx boards to make sure villain doesn’t nitfold TT

is there something I’m misunderstanding? you gotta maximize your EV taking the bbj into consideration

Did you start by emailing GG with your concerns, indicating you won't play there until the "problem" is resolved, and withdrawing your entire balance to play elsewhere?

Alright I messaged security after my 17th chat ban to laugh at the transcripts but also to bring awareness to this thread .
Security has stated they are currently investigating these absolute nerdy colluding lAHosersss and they are aware of this thread!

Good job to the people paying attention! Give yourself a pat on the back and buy yourself some wine or beer from me but with your own money, cheers

sure but if they agree to softplay each other and not softplay others they gain a massive amount of ev.

Heres an example from a hand I played 10 minutes ago.

I 3 bet jacks villian calls flop aak.

In this spot I am forced to check call two streets because the jackpot ev is too massive and I dont know if villian knows to check. If they were playing each other they have already pre agreed to take the most passive lines in jackpot drawing hands so when they dont have jackpot outs they are not punting ev.

This is an extreme example their biggest edge is preflop.

The bad beat jackpot rake is about 2bb/100 remember this for later

To win a bbj you need to lose with aaa1010 or better. what do you think is the most likely hand to win that with? (its a10) and then in this order its probably aj aq 1010 jj qq kk ak in that order
You will see most bbj hands posted were on aaaxx flops or aa1010+ flops

Now that we know a10 aj aq are the most likely hands to win what do we do next? Oh we agree to not raise them vs each other and always flat call and then check check on any flop that can hit a badbeat. Now we hit every badbeat possible that solo players have to fold.

Regular winning players who dont pre agree to not 3 bet each other are losing massive ev to them in these spots because they correctly 3/4 bet a10s ajo etc which folds out hands like a10o ajo aqo 1010 jj etc. and then they also bet flops and turns with low but possible jackpot equity.

We see that they do this in all of the hand historys. We see they only 3 bet qq+ ak+ vs each other. We see soft play on every street in these hand history's

This also gives them a lower perceived 3bet% in hud and you can 3bet non team mate players and generate alot of ev through folds.

Lets assume bbj is neutral ev and it nets you 2bb/100 back. by soft playing in these spots they increase their jackpot winrate insanely. lets say a modest 6bb/100. Now they are making 4bb/100 over legit players which is hard amount to beat from a non rec player. They could be making as high as 10b/100 by colluding for bad beat jackpots maybe more. This is the definition of colluding and it is cheating.

I hope I explained this well its quite complicated

If they are stealing 4bb/100. Lets say their average stake is 1$ blinds. They each have over a million hands but lets round it to a million . 11 players x1million is 11 million hands

11million divided by 100 is 100k.

If their jackpot equity is 6bb/100 doing this they have stolen 110kx4=440k. But I think it is much bigger then 6bb/100 and i rounded down on every estimate for simplicity

this thread would be 50 pages deep by now if you posted this even 10 years ago

crazy nobody is paying attention to this

super sharp to notice the no daylight savings change = chinese - very impressed by that observation

If this is an indication of your failure rate in life then i feel sad for you son.

i was an online prop and crushed because i wanted to play shorthanded low traffic games (like razz lol). most of the other online props when broke because of the restrictive rules. what was their advantage? live many pros bumhunt props and many crusher props bumhunt the weaker props. what's the problem?

Apparently colluding to win 80buyins of badbeat equity every couple of days. I dont think you can compare propping in 2005 at razz to propping in 2023 in a regulated ring fenced Canadian site (propping is not even legal in Canadian casinos like it is in LA)

Limon if all the La prop players at the bike agreed to check down all bad beat jackpot potential flops and never 3 bet each other with hands that can make jackpots would that be ok?

There is multiple problems going on here

Thanks for the completely clueless take and 100% non-related to the issue information Limon. Fwiw not everything relates back to you and your personal history.

simple logic does you dumb fuq

LOL at the idea that NON prop players aren't playing differently in jackpot hands. everyone goes ****ng apeshit when the flop has two aces or whatever, this is NORMAL behavior. its IMPLIED COLLUSION its existed since the begining of time. so what youre saying is players shouldn't get together and collude and cheat? NO fukkING shyt. lolol. this has nothing to do with propping. props are paid to play in bad games at bad times. every winning player on the planet could make more playing in the best games at the best times but they give that up for the security of a paycheck or because they are not winning players and need the paycheck. some small portion of props live the dream life where the short, off hours games are what they actually like and they get paid to do what they would do for free.

its pretty laughable that you could get a group of props to agree on anything. half of them think they could crush the other half and situations where its only props who have agreed to softplay each other are in the hand and have an agreed upon strategy would be vanishingly rare. you might have found a cheating team but not hired props.

This is not live poker people are not big enough donkys to check every value hand when its way less then 0.01% chance to hit. If they did they would get destroyed

If they are props they are not your average La live cash game prop they are a group of players from china working together in a Canadian ring fenced market.

Its not just the prop part thats the problem you should probably have read the thread first.

You said it yourself you cant get prop players to agree on anything ever. Then why are they doing everything the same? because they are literally doing everything the same with almost zero variation for over 11 different things.

I agree with you which is why this is strange and they are more then just props. so plz don't derail the thread without reading it

i read it, they aren't props. i corrected you. your false title is derailing your own thread.

Second line in thread they might not be props its just a theory but they are definitely working together as a team which is the key problem. admin feel free to change title to "team of players"

In live poker I understand prop players would never work together but if they are all in the same online stable possibly in china or russia at a call center it could be a thing.

The fact there was a near identical thread posted a week ago for global and they were all instantly banned while these guys were not highly suggests to me they might be site owned. These guys are more blatant then that ring and been doing it much longer. That or ggpoker.ca really needs to outsource better to ggpoker.com

Thanks Movin.Target for sharing this information with us.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a number of pros who are unaware or disinterested in how recreational players feel about this matter. The thoughts and feelings of recreational players should always take priority in these discussions as without them these games wouldn't exist in the first place and will dry up much quicker.

I've played online PLO recreationally in Canada on GG for the past 4+ years. Primarily at PLO10 through PLO50. While I am outside of Ontario and not part of this segregated player pool I think my perspective could be illuminating to some pros and help them better understand how to attract and keep more recs in the games.

It's still unclear if these individuals are prop players, bots, or engaging in practices that are strictly prohibited by GG, but what Movin.Target has presented certainly warrants being brought to GG's attention and a formal investigation. I personally wouldn't want to play against them, and would tag them to avoid if possible.


Anyone who makes a living from poker, online or live, is lucky. You aren't entitled to make a living playing this game you and should always be looking for other ways you can add value to the fish and game runners. Movin.Target is doing an excellent job in providing value to both of those parties by using his database, analytical skills, and platform to raise legitimate concerns.