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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
I mean if I played those tables I would also check KK-JJ on AAAxx boards to make sure villain doesn’t nitfold TT
is there something I’m misunderstanding? you gotta maximize your EV taking the bbj into consideration
sure but if they agree to softplay each other and not softplay others they gain a massive amount of ev.
Heres an example from a hand I played 10 minutes ago.
I 3 bet jacks villian calls flop aak.
In this spot I am forced to check call two streets because the jackpot ev is too massive and I dont know if villian knows to check. If they were playing each other they have already pre agreed to take the most passive lines in jackpot drawing hands so when they dont have jackpot outs they are not punting ev.
This is an extreme example their biggest edge is preflop.
The bad beat jackpot rake is about 2bb/100 remember this for later
To win a bbj you need to lose with aaa1010 or better. what do you think is the most likely hand to win that with? (its a10) and then in this order its probably aj aq 1010 jj qq kk ak in that order
You will see most bbj hands posted were on aaaxx flops or aa1010+ flops
Now that we know a10 aj aq are the most likely hands to win what do we do next? Oh we agree to not raise them vs each other and always flat call and then check check on any flop that can hit a badbeat. Now we hit every badbeat possible that solo players have to fold.
Regular winning players who dont pre agree to not 3 bet each other are losing massive ev to them in these spots because they correctly 3/4 bet a10s ajo etc which folds out hands like a10o ajo aqo 1010 jj etc. and then they also bet flops and turns with low but possible jackpot equity.
We see that they do this in all of the hand historys. We see they only 3 bet qq+ ak+ vs each other. We see soft play on every street in these hand history's
This also gives them a lower perceived 3bet% in hud and you can 3bet non team mate players and generate alot of ev through folds.
Lets assume bbj is neutral ev and it nets you 2bb/100 back. by soft playing in these spots they increase their jackpot winrate insanely. lets say a modest 6bb/100. Now they are making 4bb/100 over legit players which is hard amount to beat from a non rec player. They could be making as high as 10b/100 by colluding for bad beat jackpots maybe more. This is the definition of colluding and it is cheating.
I hope I explained this well its quite complicated