wot a ****show of a thread. Everyone thinks their the poker 5-0... lol

Fair play to Fedor and OP for making the thread.
- Personally in this situation I would've verbally communicated this to all players in the GPL instead of a thread that could potentially damage Dreyfus/GPL credibility like this for public consumption.

That said, misleading on a multiple swaps is pretty defunct of the caliber of persons we need in charge of future mainstream poker suppliers.

If he can do this on a few swaps, whats to say it couldn't be done with segregated player funds in the future?

Where you really go off the bend on this thread is

a) Victim Blaming. Because they trusted Alex, and didn't put in enough controls, so you blame them for poor Alex being forced to try to steal from them.

b) Fairness Arbitrage. You claim that other people scam, and cheat, and do worse yet aren't exposed, so Alex should not. Let's just empty the prisons right now, because someone didn't get the same punishment for a similar crime.

These are such absurd arguments I must ask, how long have you and Alex been dating?

Shocking.

Good move outing Dreyfus. If hes shady in those business dealings hes most likely shady in others.

Now that were over that lets get to outing some more "scumbags".

I don't care how brilliant at poker or at anything else for that matter someone is, but anyone who says yes to an instigator of a $$$ swap without seeing the cleared funds to themselves first has made an error.

These are the same kind of standards of principle that an insurance company would apply for example if you made a claim for a robbery from your home where you had left the back door unlocked.

They both left the door wide open.

Your point b) is badly thought out, because of course there are and should be differing degrees of punishment for different levels of severity of offense.

I have never met Alex. My instinct is that he may well have some of the traits that infiltrate the psyche of many people who are deeply involved in poker, however, all of my points ITT relate to the specific "offense" in question.

Additionally, I believe that one of my first ever posts on 2Plus2 was that it is crazy that there is no centralised fully underwritten clearing house (mechanism) to handle all transactions in poker.

Without one, this kind of thing will happen again and again, and again.

YES!

SageDonkey stop posting. You're derailing the most amazing derail I've ever seen.

And you don't think an appropriate response to an instigator who lied about at least two of these transactions is to tell other people so he can't do it to others?

Keep in mind the isn't just an other player but someone who is trying to lead the community.

agreeb

+1. This thread would be infinitely better if SageDonkey's posts disappeared.

battle of the titans

No ****. Especially when people don't tell others each other about it

Okay, by popular demand I will stop posting.

I respect everyone else's points and agree that Alex Dreyfuss's actions were clearly wrong.

I have been playing the role of a defense lawyer of sorts. Even the guilty get given a defense lawyer (you might say "The Devil's Advocate"), and they deserve one because the degree of guilt and indeed the correct punishment for it are not always black and white.

Good luck to everyone with their poker and I give my best wishes for financial fairness across the board between all players and individuals.

It's been said, but this is not a one-off mistake and can't get over how people wouldn't want this guy's reputation to be tarnished regardless of his "intent". This is clearly a pattern of freerolling. He attempted to weasel/lawyer Aaron Massey and others out of their Main Event seat and now it's come out he mislead/tricked more than one person this summer into a forced loan. It doesn't matter whether he paid out or not, any future agreements with this guy should be avoided and believe any people/companies who choose to work with him should also be criticized. Let's just keep repeating to ourselves, this is a pattern.

Also, from the replies I guess I'm pretty glad I put SageDonkey on my ignore list a couple years ago.

Anyway, back to Alex....


Alex,

On Daniel's latest podcast you say how independently wealthy you are and, to paraphrase, that you're not concerned about GPL making money in the short term and that you intend to sell it once it becomes a viable asset.

Aren't you supposed to have financial backing for GPL?
Bearing that in mind, you say that you had reached your limits as you had spent around $50k in Vegas on the studio costs for GPL. Surely that was GPL money, right? Separate from your personal wealth?

Was the trade between GPL and OP, or Alex Dreyfus and OP?

Your interview with Daniel is beginning to sound somewhat different in this new light.

You pull out of the Wembley GPL Finals plan. You don't open the GPL store (from which players were supposed to have a revenue cut). Didn't the player contracts say that they get paid percentage of franchise income minus GPL costs? Have any GPL players actually received anything?

(I have never put anyone on an ignore list because I am not ignorant of other people's viewpoints, even if I sometimes disagree with them)

lol Sage ffs man

LOL DoorBread is my favorite.

I just want to point out that ben86 has information behind that he is not feeding to the lionesses in this thread.

i feel a podcast would clear this derail right up

I can't imagine the AD thread is the best place to have that discussion Probably not the podcast either but at this point it might be a bit late for that

lolol, 100% this

I've never been so happy to see a thread derailed

stars 200/400 should work