If you're talking below the age of 35, I'd say -- from a guesstimate rather than the data, probably somewhere between 5 and 10.

That said, Brandi sounds like a pretty severe case and those are least likely to be fixed. You've got some proportion who are less severely afflicted who reach an accomodation with a guy like Brandon, and who drop out of that life -- some for a couple of years, some for good. And there's a much higher proportion who just age out, get worn out and used up by the life -- these get out without treatment. They simply get too tired to do it any more.

Another critical factor here are the resources that are available to these women. Those who are intelligent enough to get an education or put money aside and start a business or can tolerate a drama free life with a decent male provider have a much better chance of getting fixed enough to make some kind of a life. Unfortunately, that tends to be a very small proportion of this group of women, because they usually have a low boredom threshold and so struggle to defer gratification for long enough to accrue significant resources. I'd struggle to even come up with a guestimate of what proportion successfully 'age out' of their behaviours in this manner, because they tend to just disappear from the scene.

You'll be sorry. Honest.

"If you’re going to make a film as repellent as “Jack Ketchum’s the Girl Next Door,” you had better make sure that your redeeming reasons for doing so are crystal clear. Gregory M. Wilson, the film’s director, either doesn’t have any such reasons or doesn’t know how to convey them, which means that he has made the kind of movie that makes you wish you could rinse your brain in bleach, to wash all traces of it from your memory."

It's the only film I've ever not been able to watch all the way through because I found it so profoundly upsetting.

http://movies.nytimes.com/2007/10/03...tml?ref=movies

**** i hope thats on netflix, going in my queue

Spotted: Brandi playing at Hollywood Park.

Beat: She was playing 6/12 holdem.

BrandiRose wrote me a PM. Her story and the pimp's differ.

Johnny Hughes

I KNEW IT! All of those posters claiming that she would show up and tell everyone that everything Brandon said was 100% true and accurate were WRONG!!!

Great detective work, Johnny. I suggest you get down to Hollywood Park and loan her some money, stat.

Johnny, dont do that to us.

Sounds similar to Requiem for a Dream.

Also I enjoyed reading your posts.

I personally have dated more than my share of crazy chicks, mostly because im fascinated by the human psyche... but also because they blow better.

One thing ive realized the more I date these girls is that at first, they play the "broken doll" roll.. Most of them pity themselves, and truly feel like they have been wronged by the world. They are often lonely in their pain. The pain and turmoil they express to you , before you get involved is genuine.

Ive fallen for SO much crap like this before, trying to play the knight in shining armor.

What ends up happening EVERY TIME? They inevitable displace all their anger/frustration/crazyness towards the people they love and trust. At first, you are outside of their bull****, so you can be similar to a psychiatrist... but as soon as they feel you are commited to them in some way, it all comes out on you.
You become a part of their drama, instead of observing it.

I just went to costa rica with a stripper who I had been dating for a month in toronto. She moved back to costa rica for 6 months and I went to visit her.
She told me some incredibly ****ed up things about her past on the second date... However, she behaved only a little eccentric, and was overall seemed like a sweet girl.

Once I got to costa rica, and was spending every day with her, her true colors started to reaveal.

I wont get into it but,
The trip began with her asking for me to move to her to costa rica,
and ended with her assaulting me in my sleep for something I did to her in her dream.


To summarize my point:
Crazy b*tches is crazy, take this as a lesson...

Troubled childhood + Troubled family life = Unstable future relationship

Its science

You don't say?!? Brandi didn't PM you and say "yup, I took all his **** and sold it. I'm guilty and should pay a legal penalty".

I just can't fathom that this girl would *gasp* actually not admit to any wrongdoing.

For some stupid reason this made me go read about the real life events of this case. Why do I this to myself?

glimmer, let's say tomorrow you get a PM from Brandi about how you hit home on every single point, and it really profoundly affected her, and she was up crying all night, and do you want to meet for coffee sometime? Your play?

This is way too simplistic to the point its silly and I'm not a romantic by any means. I agree as to what men are attracted to and what women are attracted to. However, a good number of men and woman (I would argue the majority) wont stay in a hurtful relationship just because the man is rich and powerful or the woman is hot. Obviously I've seen relationships where the man cheats or abuses the woman, and she stays with him. And of course I've seen it the other way around. But you dont often see those relationships last. Its a unstable situation and only naturally those situations ultimately end and usually violently.

I do agree that woman know quickly whether you have a chance. And once they decide you dont, its very hard to overcome that.

Being attracted to someone is very different to being in a relationship with someone. People relearn that lesson all the time.

Basically, this presents us as completely opportunistic with no value assigned to exisiting connections. Who is more actively trying to move up the ladder? Someone who has been married for 5 years or someone who has been going with someone for 3 months. This theory doesnt make that distinction and its obviously relevant.

Is it safe to say "I told you so."

??

I mean, I told you that what you were saying about her was all BS in the other thread and now you finally realized it

It also seems that the men that advocate such theories usually surround themselves with hookers or other emotionless women. It could be that they have just given up pursuing normal relationships because they "know" something others dont. Or it could be because theyre incapable of having normal relationships because they are terrified of putting that much trust in someone else.

I guess she got more then retail value for the dishwasher.

cliff notes please?

johnny, did it say this?

Brandi's story told in first person:

"Brandon is obsessed with me, he has been since the moment he met me, now he is just mad that i wouldnt be with him forever, and he has this evil plan to ruin my life and turn all my friends again me. he used to beat me, hes violent. he was married, and didnt tell me about it, thats why i moved all his **** out of his house, only i didnt do it myself, i hired some people to do it so that i could say i didnt do it. LOL! he told me i could too, yeah... he owed me money and he wouldnt pay up and i had no way of getting my money back. we used to split things, i gave him money for games, we went in on things together. he used to make me buy groceries to that i could never be financially independent. he would hit me, then be nice to me and buy me things so i wouldnt leave him. now that i have, he wont leave me alone. he calls my phone telling me how much he loves me and begging for me back, hes lying to all my friends and embellishing things that arent true so they'll turn their backs on me, woe is me, i never did anything to deserve this, everyone is against me for no reason!!! its all lies!!!!! defend me in the thread now that you know this, ok johnny?!?!!! hugs and kisses, oxoxox - brandi"


now, sadly, that was the story that didnt check out, and one of the reasons why i dumped her pathetic ass.

the REAL story.

brandon is completely nonviolent. he has never hit her. she however, has admitted to me to breaking his nose twice by punching him in the face. she told me since the moment i met her that brandon wasnt her bf, that she was using him for money, and for me to never ever talk to him. now i see why... bc when we compared stories, NOTHING was the same. NOTHING. after she would hit him, SHE would go into a honeymoon phase and be super sweet etc. not the other way around. she cheated on him, isolated him from all his friends. he wasnt married like she said. she didnt find a wedding album, which is the reason she gave me for cleaning out all of brandons belongings. and after brandon has paid for her therapy, her medicine, her personal trainer, her diet, bankrolled her in games, bought he clothes, fed her, kept a roof over her head. he absolutely has spent over $100,000.00 on her just recently!! you cant fake credit card receipts and bank statements. she cleaned out his apartment with joy. i have a dozen text messages on my phone from her calling him a loser and how she was angry at all men, and she was going to do something huge so she could "have the last laugh". she thought cleaning him out was hilarious, and absolutely the funniest thing she had done in a while. she wrote to me that she wished she had a video camera, bc it was so funny to her. she used brandon from the moment she met him, and told that everyone around her except him. she humiliated him, and left him with nothing.

brandon is not obsessed with brandi, johnny. brandon loved this girl honestly, and it broke my heart knowing she had been nothing but using him from the moment he took her in. every time she was broke, she ran back to him. she would have been penniless and homeless on more than one occasion if brandon hasnt taken her back. for her to say that she cant get away is INSANE. she left him so many times, and every time he DID give her several thousand dollars, ive seen the cleared checks from the bank statements.

brandon didnt need to turn me againt brandi. she did that all on her own. i knew about her lies to ME for months. she had lied to me, and impersonated me, up until this point, and i knew a few other things from outside sources. i always asked her if there was anything she wanted to correct, or tell me about. she used to lie compulsively about things i already knew were false, and she would carry on about them for months, never admitting the truth no matter how hard you would push her to tell you. at the end, i even found out that she had stolen from me and kept up a pretty elaborate lie to cover it. basically, ALL OF BRANDIS STORIES UNRAVELED. the sad thing is, the night i stopped talking to her, i asked her so many times just to be honest or i could no longer be in a relationship with her. she couldnt do it. its sad to me, that even now, instead of giving up with these insane lies of her, that can be PROVEN to be lies, she hasnt taken any time to be alone with her thoughts, or think about how shes completely alone now. she ****ed over the last two people on earth that gave a **** about her. its sad. now shes on here either herself or with a new pawn, still maintaining all her bs. she knows she cant win, bc we can prove she is lying. its shocking to me how someone could be so sick in the head...


BRANDI, TELL THE TRUTH.

she says that all these guys make up lies about her bc she wont sleep with them. what does she say my reason is???


also, when brandon wrote his first post in the thread he started, she admitted that it was all true, but then changed it to "theres an element of truth in everything he said... but... ITS ALL LIES!!!"

ok, brandi... whatever you say, dear.

bc she wont sleep with you ldo

1000th...

- updated cliffs?

Brandi is a pathogical liar? That doesnt fit her profile at all. NOT.

And here I thought this thread was tired and played out and had completely stopped delivering.

Super-sweet.

Thanks Jenn.