Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Rast Inducted to HOF Rast Inducted to HOF

07-15-2023 , 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by deuceblocker
I don't know if Arieh has played online at all. He lives in Georgia, and has not played that much in tournaments except the WSOP. He probably plays live cash, maybe underground or private games. He could also play online and people don't know his screen names. He clearly is a really strong player though.
Untracked golf pro games
Rast Inducted to HOF Quote
07-15-2023 , 04:07 PM
Arieh played online tournaments for sure. I just don’t know his overall success in that arena.
Rast Inducted to HOF Quote
07-15-2023 , 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
Untracked golf pro games
It's not like golf. Most of those inducted in the 20th century had a reputation for beating high stakes games. It wasn't based on anything on record.
Rast Inducted to HOF Quote
07-15-2023 , 04:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by deuceblocker
It's not like golf. Most of those inducted in the 20th century had a reputation for beating high stakes games. It wasn't based on anything on record.
No I’m saying he plays in untracked golf pro games like the Euros play in untracked Euro sites
Rast Inducted to HOF Quote
07-23-2023 , 03:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LimpDitka
Well deserved but Arieh deserved to get in before him.
NVM you werent talking about who i thought
Rast Inducted to HOF Quote
07-28-2023 , 11:18 AM
I think 1 person a year is a good thing. If there are 2 people a year it wont be long until they start inducting mediocrities. Arieh will get in eventually.
Rast Inducted to HOF Quote
07-28-2023 , 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by whosnext
I think the Rast vs Arieh debate is misplaced. They both are worthy, especially in light of who has been voted in previously.
I certainly agree with the second sentence, but the "debate" came about because of the very first reply to this thread – that Arieh should have gone in before Rast. So it naturally creates a who-goes-in-first discussion, even if everyone agrees they're both deserving.

One interesting thing I've found having served ex officio on a college athletics Hall of Fame committee for almost two decades: the notion of who goes in first is not always based on pure merit. We always had a rotating selection board, with voters coming on and off. Regardless of this turnover, there was always at least one person who took a first-come, first-served mentality – i.e. an older candidate should go in before a newer but better candidate, assuming the older candidate was still worthy. This is the kind of person who might have voted for Bob McAdoo over Larry Bird in 1998.

I've long believed this took place in baseball, which is why it wasn't until 2019 for Cooperstown to have a unanimous inductee (Mariano Rivera). Over the course of my lifetime, my fellow seamheads always chuckled over the voting results when a shoo-in got "only" 97 percent or something. And sure, I get it in years when the field on nominees is particularly stacked. But there have been years with relatively weak candidate pools, which is why I've spent more time than I should admit looking at the 1979 BBWAA voting, trying to figure out which 10 players on the list were ahead of Willie Mays on 23 of the 432 ballots.

And I figure it must be 23 of the people I described earlier. Philosophically, they just believe no man should enter in his first year of eligibility, casting their vote for (say) Red Schoendienst instead.
Rast Inducted to HOF Quote
07-31-2023 , 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kebabkungen
I think 1 person a year is a good thing. If there are 2 people a year it wont be long until they start inducting mediocrities. Arieh will get in eventually.
It's Arieh or Juanda next year. His time will come.
Rast Inducted to HOF Quote
07-31-2023 , 07:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
I certainly agree with the second sentence, but the "debate" came about because of the very first reply to this thread – that Arieh should have gone in before Rast. So it naturally creates a who-goes-in-first discussion, even if everyone agrees they're both deserving.

One interesting thing I've found having served ex officio on a college athletics Hall of Fame committee for almost two decades: the notion of who goes in first is not always based on pure merit. We always had a rotating selection board, with voters coming on and off. Regardless of this turnover, there was always at least one person who took a first-come, first-served mentality – i.e. an older candidate should go in before a newer but better candidate, assuming the older candidate was still worthy. This is the kind of person who might have voted for Bob McAdoo over Larry Bird in 1998.

I've long believed this took place in baseball, which is why it wasn't until 2019 for Cooperstown to have a unanimous inductee (Mariano Rivera). Over the course of my lifetime, my fellow seamheads always chuckled over the voting results when a shoo-in got "only" 97 percent or something. And sure, I get it in years when the field on nominees is particularly stacked. But there have been years with relatively weak candidate pools, which is why I've spent more time than I should admit looking at the 1979 BBWAA voting, trying to figure out which 10 players on the list were ahead of Willie Mays on 23 of the 432 ballots.

And I figure it must be 23 of the people I described earlier. Philosophically, they just believe no man should enter in his first year of eligibility, casting their vote for (say) Red Schoendienst instead.
The thing in baseball is with few exceptions there were rarely years where guys wouldn't vote for someone bc their ballot was full already ( you can vote for ten people- not sure if this was always the case)

So certain writers for example wouldn't vote for someone bc they didn't feel they were worthy of being a "first ballot guy" even though they'd vote for them year 2. Or they wouldn't vote for someone specifically bc they knew that person was getting in easily but didn't want them to get in unanimously. It rarely if ever was to put the older guy in first.

Baseball writers in general have been a bunch of hypocrites. For example there are guys who won't vote for Bonds or Clemens but voted for Ortiz or even worse guys who have no business in the HOF who took steroids like Matt Williams (i specifically remember some guy who wrote a super long article about not voting for McGwire or Sosa but voted for Williams.)

I have no doubt that there will be guys who vote for Bartolo Colon who failed PED tests twice that won't vote for Bonds of Clemens.
Rast Inducted to HOF Quote
07-31-2023 , 07:27 PM
Rast was maybe the most deserving. There are others who clearly belong in, and many in who don't.
Rast Inducted to HOF Quote

      
m