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Rapper goes ballistic in DC Poker room after floor tells his friends to leave for sleeping. Rapper goes ballistic in DC Poker room after floor tells his friends to leave for sleeping.

06-29-2018 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sublime_fan24
You guys are looking at this way too black or white. Some big angry guy is yelling, and you think they should remove him? I don't know their protocol, but I have worked with aggressive people before, and the #1 rule is too let them vent and blow off steam and try to avoid a physical confrontation. They had plenty of security around; the floor person eventually walks away, which is good. Perhaps they called the cops and were waiting on them. Perhaps they were waiting for him to blow off some steam and willingly leave; which it looks like is happening at the end of the video.

fwiw; not that it should matter or was known, but dude served 8 years at Rikers island; so I believe him when he said he was going to give work to anyone other than the police that tried to escalate stuff. I think security handled this well and a physical incident was avoided because they did not try to escort him out.
obvious whale gladhanding is obvious
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06-29-2018 , 02:38 PM
Definition of ballistic
1 : extremely and usually suddenly excited, upset, or angry : wild
He went ballistic when he saw the dent in his car.

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Originally Posted by sublime_fan24
You guys are looking at this way too black or white. Some big angry guy is yelling, and you think they should remove him? I don't know their protocol, but I have worked with aggressive people before, and the #1 rule is too let them vent and blow off steam and try to avoid a physical confrontation. They had plenty of security around; the floor person eventually walks away, which is good. Perhaps they called the cops and were waiting on them. Perhaps they were waiting for him to blow off some steam and willingly leave; which it looks like is happening at the end of the video.

fwiw; not that it should matter or was known, but dude served 8 years at Rikers island; so I believe him when he said he was going to give work to anyone other than the police that tried to escalate stuff. I think security handled this well and a physical incident was avoided because they did not try to escort him out.
Yeah the security handled it perfectly. Their job is to prevent incidents not make them happen and the guy shouting I been to jail and I'm gonna put work in on non cops. Wait for the cops or for him to leave on his own. And it's a casino where he lost a lot of money so let him vent and leave on his own, calling the cops is wrong in this instance. If someone acts like that at the corner grocery store then yeah get on the phone to police immediately. Well handled by floor and security imo.
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06-29-2018 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by homerdash
i mentioned this in another thread when discussing the moderation of posts about this incident in the venue thread, this guy just released an album today so there's a small chance of poorly thought out viral promotion (like a fake beef with another rapper or fake arrest) in this.

there's an entire police substation next to the casino FWIW, along with the onsite officers as mentioned.

my main problem is, the guy is "famous" and will likely have better things to do than anything past this specific incident, and i get (but don't really agree with) the kid gloves to prevent further escalation.

but what about when a local with nothing to lose has an incident and comes back to settle their perceived slight? sounds similar to Annapolis yesterday (not to mention the extremely long list of other instances of violent revenge in the US) and that's why it's wholly unreasonable to not 86 immediately for long-term (possibly permanently) persons who make violent threats towards businesses and employees of that business.

Good point about possible publicity stunt.

I dont recall him making any violent threats; more veiled threats (if you all try to do xyz, ill do work). Perhaps he made direct threats and I didn't notice it among all his other trash he was spewing. I am not defending this guy at all; rather, defending how security handled it. I just think that safety is the # 1 priority for security at that point in time. I think their main concern is, and should be, ensuring everyone's (patron's, staff's, and the guy's) safety, and by not engaging him and letting him mouth off, they are doing so.

Last edited by sublime_fan24; 06-29-2018 at 02:43 PM. Reason: clean up
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06-29-2018 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
Definition of ballistic
1 : extremely and usually suddenly excited, upset, or angry : wild
He went ballistic when he saw the dent in his car.

I stand corrected; my apologies to OP, that is not sensationalizing.
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06-29-2018 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sublime_fan24
I see how you said there are two incidents in the one video, but neither incident looks like a physical confrontation occurred. Either I am missing something (very possible); or you are sensationalizing this by saying he went "ballistic". IMO, ballistic involves physical aggression.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ballistic

definition 1, I'm using the word correctly
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06-29-2018 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sublime_fan24
I stand corrected; my apologies to OP, that is not sensationalizing.
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Originally Posted by ClickItBak
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ballistic

definition 1, I'm using the word correctly
i got you covered
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06-29-2018 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sublime_fan24
i got you covered
Sorry I didn't get to the 2nd page shoulda looked to see if there was already a response.
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06-29-2018 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
Definition of ballistic
1 : extremely and usually suddenly excited, upset, or angry : wild
He went ballistic when he saw the dent in his car.



Yeah the security handled it perfectly. Their job is to prevent incidents not make them happen and the guy shouting I been to jail and I'm gonna put work in on non cops. Wait for the cops or for him to leave on his own. And it's a casino where he lost a lot of money so let him vent and leave on his own, calling the cops is wrong in this instance. If someone acts like that at the corner grocery store then yeah get on the phone to police immediately. Well handled by floor and security imo.
To the best of my understanding the police were not called.
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06-29-2018 , 04:12 PM
If the guys were sleeping security should have been called at the first instance as to a problem .This type of thing should not have been handled by management ; security could have come and said "no sleeping".

As in my post it wasn't registration who stopped me from sleeping but security ; unsure as to whether he had a gun in which case it was the police.

Put yourself in a naive tourist's position; would you even go near this group of sleepers even if the antagonist wasn't loud? He buffaloed them with no small amount of threat ; the manager should stay away. The police should have been called .

The man victimized everyone in the area.
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06-29-2018 , 04:21 PM
what are the qualifications to be labelled a 'rapper' ? Never heard of him I would be surprised if he makes his money from music lol


edit:

ya he has 37k followers on twitter, I think a good # of college 'instagram model' girls have more numbers than him
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06-29-2018 , 04:41 PM
silly rabbits - dude is dumping $$$ in a casino - i've seen worse behavior that was only mildly addressed by casino security - they were not going to throw him out along with his future lost revenue - get real

as for him claiming he and his "crew" were targeted because they were people of color, that isn't a far-fetched assumption - only someone who is un-woke might think it not a possibility - after all, it's one thing for the floor to go to the persons sleeping and advise them they can't sleep and if they continue to do so, they have to leave, but it's a whole other thing for the floor to approach the PLAYER who is NOT sleeping and IN A GAME and tell him they have to leave, too - WTF?!?

i'd have been calling foul on that floor person's actions, too

willing to bet that scenario would most likely NOT have happened had the PLAYER been of another hue

that's my dime . . . spend it well
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06-29-2018 , 04:54 PM
This guy admitted to stabbing 12 people in jail and spent 3 YEARS in solitarty where he couldn't keep a bunkmate because he would beat them close to death each time. If he wasn't permanently banned from all MGM properties for this behavior it's an outrage. I am afraid he will come back in here for vengeance.
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06-29-2018 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Havax
This guy admitted to stabbing 12 people in jail and spent 3 YEARS in solitarty where he couldn't keep a bunkmate because he would beat them close to death each time. If he wasn't permanently banned from all MGM properties for this behavior it's an outrage. I am afraid he will come back in here for vengeance.
lol what? how would he be out of jail, they would have thrown him in solitary, no?
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06-29-2018 , 05:20 PM
Where are the real security when you need them

"I want you to exit this guy from the premises and use his head to open
the freaking door."

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06-29-2018 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by stuNehT
silly rabbits - dude is dumping $$$ in a casino - i've seen worse behavior that was only mildly addressed by casino security - they were not going to throw him out along with his future lost revenue - get real

as for him claiming he and his "crew" were targeted because they were people of color, that isn't a far-fetched assumption - only someone who is un-woke might think it not a possibility - after all, it's one thing for the floor to go to the persons sleeping and advise them they can't sleep and if they continue to do so, they have to leave, but it's a whole other thing for the floor to approach the PLAYER who is NOT sleeping and IN A GAME and tell him they have to leave, too - WTF?!?

i'd have been calling foul on that floor person's actions, too

willing to bet that scenario would most likely NOT have happened had the PLAYER been of another hue

that's my dime . . . spend it well
Bull****
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06-29-2018 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by s00ted13
lol what? how would he be out of jail, they would have thrown him in solitary, no?
According to one of the interviews I saw, he was in solitary for 3 years.
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06-29-2018 , 05:33 PM
quoted from a fresh NPR article for sublime_fan and those who agree with him, emphasis mine

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The man charged with murdering five people in the Capital Gazette newsroom in Annapolis, Md., on Thursday had previously been investigated over threatening comments toward staff members, Anne Arundel County Police Department Chief Tim Altomare said Friday.

In 2013, a detective had looked into the threatening remarks made by Jarrod Ramos, who was angry over coverage of him in The Capital newspaper, and spoke to representatives of Capital Gazette. No charges were filed — a decision that Altomare said was made out of "a fear that doing so would exacerbate an already flammable situation."
if potential of it getting physical is the reason to not immediately take action, then it’s time to immediately bring in the authorities trained in physicality.
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06-29-2018 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Havax
This guy admitted to stabbing 12 people in jail and spent 3 YEARS in solitarty where he couldn't keep a bunkmate because he would beat them close to death each time. If he wasn't permanently banned from all MGM properties for this behavior it's an outrage. I am afraid he will come back in here for vengeance.
I was just given UNCONFIRMED information that he is now banned from all MGM properties. Took a few days but got there if true.

Edit: VERY unconfirmed to the point where I do not believe that they are accurate now. I got them in such a way that I thought they were accurate, but now I don't think so. Until we hear officially or I update this should be considered nothing more than rumor, and not a well founded one.

Last edited by ClickItBak; 06-29-2018 at 05:58 PM.
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06-29-2018 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by stuNehT
silly rabbits - dude is dumping $$$ in a casino - i've seen worse behavior that was only mildly addressed by casino security - they were not going to throw him out along with his future lost revenue - get real

as for him claiming he and his "crew" were targeted because they were people of color, that isn't a far-fetched assumption - only someone who is un-woke might think it not a possibility - after all, it's one thing for the floor to go to the persons sleeping and advise them they can't sleep and if they continue to do so, they have to leave, but it's a whole other thing for the floor to approach the PLAYER who is NOT sleeping and IN A GAME and tell him they have to leave, too - WTF?!?

i'd have been calling foul on that floor person's actions, too

willing to bet that scenario would most likely NOT have happened had the PLAYER been of another hue

that's my dime . . . spend it well
The way I understand what went down, and given we don't have video evidence but I've spoken with players and staff, was that the sleeping person WAS told to leave without speaking to Casanova 2x, and he took issue with it because they were part of his group of friends. He was upset that he wasn't asked to ask them to leave, and the reason the situation ended the FIRST time even though he was causing a scene was that HE asked the person to leave and they did on their own after he asked.

Any and all situations CAN be racially charged, but I don't believe this one to be one of them based on what we know.
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06-29-2018 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by homerdash
quoted from a fresh NPR article for sublime_fan and those who agree with him, emphasis mine



if potential of it getting physical is the reason to not immediately take action, then it’s time to immediately bring in the authorities trained in physicality.
What happened at that paper was tragic and devastating to the families and friends of the deceased; however, don't extrapolate this and make the argument that every case where a person is yelling or screaming and not making direct threats (from what I recall, he only made veiled threats of "doing work" IF someone tried to remove him) is a legitimate threat to commit mass murder. I think the recency effect is in play here and you making conclusions that aren't logical. I don't think you understand how many cases of threats that police departments deal with.

I do agree that cops could have been called; I said that perhaps they were waiting on the cops in my first post. I am not defending his actions and I agree with others that said that this is not good for business since it disturbs other patrons. However, I have played in that room and with the location not being in the middle of the casino; I think the floor people had the area covered (from the limited views of the video), and they did the best thing to let it blow over. Additionally, I am sure that other security, via cameras or via headsets; were involved and aware of the situation and had mitigation plans in the works. We saw a snapshot of the situation, and in my opinion, security did a fine job in just letting him rant.
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06-29-2018 , 07:35 PM
fair enough, i’m not saying it’s exactly the same. OTOH, i don’t think people should lose their lives because the police have too many threat cases open, they need to gather information correctly and prioritize but that’s a different discussion.

in this specific instance, they could easily find his past violent history and recommend in no uncertain terms that he be barred from MGM permanently with or without a criminal charge. it’s an actual good thing for everyone else that the police can provide and what they took an oath to do, protect and serve.

as much as i feel someone’s past shouldn’t haunt them forever, i’m not losing sleep about violent felons having a tougher go of it if they put themselves in situations and conduct themselves like this. i’d argue a truly reformed person would not fly off the handle if he felt discriminated against and would use the non-violent method of expressing how he was wronged and gathering support for a boycott and/or protest, that sort of thing.

play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

as far as security having a handle on the situation, i don’t buy that for this incident in the least based on the presence of an entourage/group along with the guy in question. it’s not 6 on 1 as it would be if he was solo, it could’ve easily escalated into an all-out brawl where innocent employees and players would be in danger and security present would have little chance of controlling it in a timely manner.
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06-29-2018 , 08:03 PM
Narcissists dream of becoming becoming social martyrs.

Guy should save his money instead of donking it off at the tables, because if he's a hip-hop nobody now he'll probably be a hip-hop nobody with insurmountable debt tomorrow.
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06-29-2018 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by homerdash
obvious whale gladhanding is obvious
damb right.
hope he stops going to that toilet mgm national harbor and starts playing at borgata again.
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06-29-2018 , 08:31 PM
Securing a place on Love and Hip Hop?
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06-29-2018 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by homerdash
fair enough, i’m not saying it’s exactly the same. OTOH, i don’t think people should lose their lives because the police have too many threat cases open, they need to gather information correctly and prioritize but that’s a different discussion.
in this specific instance, they could easily find his past violent history and recommend in no uncertain terms that he be barred from MGM permanently with or without a criminal charge. it’s an actual good thing for everyone else that the police can provide and what they took an oath to do, protect and serve.

as much as i feel someone’s past shouldn’t haunt them forever, i’m not losing sleep about violent felons having a tougher go of it if they put themselves in situations and conduct themselves like this. i’d argue a truly reformed person would not fly off the handle if he felt discriminated against and would use the non-violent method of expressing how he was wronged and gathering support for a boycott and/or protest, that sort of thing.

play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


as far as security having a handle on the situation, i don’t buy that for this incident in the least based on the presence of an entourage/group along with the guy in question. it’s not 6 on 1 as it would be if he was solo, it could’ve easily escalated into an all-out brawl where innocent employees and players would be in danger and security present would have little chance of controlling it in a timely manner.
I agree completely on the portions of your statement that I underlined.

However, we will have to agree to disagree on your last paragraph. I don't see an entourage there; I only am going off what I see in the video, which is one dude yelling. I don't see his entourage close by, and though OP may relaying details about his friends that fell asleep as the source of this issue; I didn't notice a bunch of them. I acknowledge the possibility of a fight/brawl/violence occurring due to an obviously heated situation; however, I think the fundamental difference in my viewpoint is that that I think security would have escalated made a fight/brawl/melee more likely to happen; if they intervened more aggressively (either physically or verbally). I personally think the quiet, but present, stance was ideal for the situation; based on the video. Plus, the audio isn't great so we can't hear what security or others are saying; we can only hear villain.

Good discussion btw.
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