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Originally Posted by nanonoko
FWIW, I've had positive interactions with many people regarding reports they just don't post publicly. Just that in this one instance, someone attempts to say they made contact with me (which they never did) and say that I never responded which I would say is I suppose there was miscommunication and lost in translation. Call it smug if you want, but I'm merely defending the fact that wasn't true. I know people have had a negative view of WPN in the past and potentially still do but the fact is they are putting in resources to fix things and make things better for the overall better of the game. They take all reports from people. I don't know the history as to why they no longer have presence on 2+2, I became a consultant 2 months ago. Again, I welcome "a dewd" to contact me, I assume with his original post that we did in fact talk but we never did hence some of the statements in my original reply. I hope you guys are able to see some positivity but if you don't believe things can change, then I simply won't be able to convince you otherwise. For those that do care, I'm here to help and progress is being made. FWIW, seems too much time has been spent on what seems like a trivial matter with some miscommunication. Cheers.
Hey
Sorry for delay, been a bit busy in the real world.
Couple things....
1. I am an WPN fan and have played on the site for a decade. If you go to the old thread here, you will see several posters declaring I am some sort of shill. The post you responded to here initially is proof of that being false. I like Phil, the people I have dealt with there, and have an overall good experience on the site, profit aside.
2. Be happy to introduce you to the people in my group that have zero interest in anything other than cleaning up the game. They have sent data to PS, PP, 888, Chico, etc... and have received warm thanks for their efforts and the players suspected were soon gone.
With that said, the last chat with Marcos ended on a rather poor note. One of the people accused/asked/suggested that WPN was working with the bots or had in-house ones. I do not agree with the tone of that comment, but it was said in frustration when two very obvious accounts were continuing to play. Marcos, understandably so, never acknowledged that comment and has been largely MIA since. I get his reaction and also understand the frustration. To his credit, he is still in our discord.
If you go to the link I provided in an earlier post, you can see the kinds of reports these guys provide. This is not a simple case of some HH stats and accusations. They are very diligent in their work. This is not any kind of tomfoolery. One of the people that worked on it received death threats to them and their family and the brake lines were cut in their car. Still, they persist. Their tone is direct and with no subtly, but they are very very thorough. There is no recognition needed nor payment. Their efforts are readily available with no cost, also to include second opinions on questionable accounts.
In the interest of complete transparency, the other matter of the HS PLO players...they have been exceptionally patient and have not once thought of trying to cause a public uproar and embarrass WPN. I have four players that had their accounts suspended under the guise they were scripting. They do not know each other and when I mentioned a player name to the others in the group there was unanimous belief that the player was not a scripter. They all emailed game integrity and received the exact same poorly written email and it was from two different people in the department, supposedly. It was a copy and paste response sent out to those that question any findings and from whomever looked at the email internally. There is zero question it is a copy and paste job. It is poorly written and has grammatical mistakes.
They would like the opportunity to clear their name and continue playing. Not a single one said they want to get their money and split. The offer I made to Marcos was to use a teamviewer type program and watch the players log on to the site, play, and replicate the problem. He will be able to see there is no table scripting software running and can see where the false positives are happening. Again, they are wanting to continue playing on the site. Combined they generate close to 100K monthly in rake. Seizing 230K of funds vs having a million in annual fees seems like terrible business sense to me. Being totally transparent, I was offered a fee to help them resolve their account issue. It was in the five figure range. I thanked them for the offer and politely declined. I have zero to personally gain from their accounts being reinstated. I only want to see the right thing done here. There are plenty of people that could confirm that I have never accepted a penny to try and help anyone, not my goal.
You joined after a fair amount of hard feelings were harvested by a sizeable amount of their player base represented here. While you do not deserve any direct grief from it, you have a choice here where you can try to make a big difference and help the overall player base build their confidence or not. I am sure you have dealt with public anonymous forums before. People tend to be very emotional and aggressive when they feel slighted. This is what you walked into. I would think the overwhelming amount of players just want to see things cleared up and transparent. Very very few are rooting against WPN, Phil, or you for that matter. There is a history you walked into when you signed up. There have been some accounts that were allowed to play for a long time even though Stevie Wonder could see they were bots, such as xorybur. It leaves the player base feeling used.
WPN is in the unique position of potentially owning the largest market in the world. It will not take much for them to outright own the US player base regardless of the laws that may be passed. Phil is affable and his intentions are good. Marcos is a good guy, too. There are people out there willing to help, (for free), that have decades of experience with this stuff. I can say with 100% certainty that their efforts with other sites has been well received and players were banned, funds confiscated, and refunds issued without any public fanfare or posting.
It is up to you. I am happy to introduce you to the people that hunt down the bots/colluders, as well as the HS players looking to clear their name. It has been over a month and they are still patient. I relayed to them that Phil has been dealing with a family emergency. Even with substantial dollars at risk, they remain calm. I can assure you they can afford to make a big ugly public stink. Their goal is to clear their name and continue to play.
If you want to work with the group, happy to introduce you to the respective parties. There would be no hate or personal attacks. I can assure you of that. Your call....