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This was attempted back in the early 2000s around the boom time or a little after. I believe the site was actually called zero rake with a monthly subscription as rake and rake free cash games. For some reason though it never got off the ground nonone played there and it shut down.

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11-01-2015 , 02:12 AM

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borg23

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Originally Posted by Mike_The_Mad

WOW model doesnt work because sites aren't gonna dump tons of money into marketing software security etc for people to makes tens of thosands of dollars a month in profit from their customers sitting in their underwear playing a game.

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11-01-2015 , 04:55 AM

#1078

dummy101

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 195

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Originally Posted by borg23

If the sites were just digging into winning players profits there wouldn't be a problem; however the sites remove 60-120bb from each table every hour so this model hits new/bad/moderate players hard; its impossible for them to have a good experience getting butchered by the rake.

Find a way to only rake from long-term winning players, and you've got yourself a very healthy ecosystem.

Suggestion:

--100% instant rakeback/rewards for players with less than 20k hands players.

--100% instant rakeback/rewards for players who have lost money

--50% rakeback for 1bb/100 winners

--20% rakeback for 4bb/100

-- 10% rakeback for 6bb/100+

Winrate could be taken from a rolling 50k hand sample, chip dumping/multiaccounting heavily penalised.

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11-01-2015 , 12:35 PM

#1079

AsianNit

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Originally Posted by dummy101

Find a way to only rake from long-term winning players, and you've got yourself a very healthy ecosystem.

Charge players extra for playing multiple tables.

I'm not a fan of rakeback schemes, but if you do it, perhaps come up with a plan where you get more rakeback/points for your first table or first few tables and you get less for any additional tables after that. I have been in a B&M poker room which gave increased player points for the first four hours you played in a day and less after that point.

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11-03-2015 , 12:41 AM

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dummy101

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Originally Posted by dummy101

Bump, any thoughts on this?

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11-03-2015 , 01:00 AM

#1081

JudgeHoldem1848

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^^^ I don't have much to say about it other than it heavily incentivizes gaming/multi accounting and dedicated professional multiaccounters are incredibly hard to stop.

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11-03-2015 , 02:00 AM

#1082

Shandrax

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,818

The rake is the no. 1 problem in Poker. It turns break-even players into big losers and it turns marginal winners into break-even players.

On the other hand, without rake there wouldn't be any Poker at all. Nevertheless, I believe that even with a 0.01% rake, Mr. Scheinberg could still drive a Ferrari.

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11-03-2015 , 04:54 AM

#1083

bautzen

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Get rid of all rakeback, use all the saved money to reduce rake proportionally.

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11-03-2015 , 10:46 AM

#1084

dummy101

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 195

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Originally Posted by bautzen

Get rid of all rakeback, use all the saved money to reduce rake proportionally.

All the rakeback probably doesn't equate to much relative to how much is taken in rake, and certainly wouldn't be enough to make depositing players play rake-free.

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I don't have much to say about it other than it heavily incentivizes gaming/multi accounting and dedicated professional multiaccounters are incredibly hard to stop.

Multiaccounting to take advantage of this system would involve creating a new account every 20k hands and risk being banned and losing all the money in that account, which will always be pretty big compared the rakeback. There are ways to do propper checks and catch multicaccounters with stats analysis. Someone opening this many accounts and grinding out a profit every time will have stats that stick out like a sore thumb.

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11-03-2015 , 10:55 AM

#1085

lancelott_

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,465

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Originally Posted by dummy101

Bump, any thoughts on this?

aweful, obviously
wtf this even is
maybe black guys should recieve 15% less rakeback than white guys or vice versa? i mean if we go back few hundred years ago..

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11-03-2015 , 11:30 AM

#1086

dummy101

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 195

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Originally Posted by lancelott_

aweful, obviously
wtf this even is
maybe black guys should recieve 15% less rakeback than white guys or vice versa? i mean if we go back few hundred years ago..

So you think new and weak players should continuing getting double taxed (losing to skilled players AND rake) in this current highly skilled climate? Or should we give them a remote chance at an upswing and take the rake from the winning players instead?

This model makes so much sense that our governments have been doing it for years.

What would happen to our economy if everyone was taxed 40% incometax, but the biggest earners got a rebate?

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