The time between hands on gg because of the animation comparing to pokerstars is 3 time higher, isnt that bad for the structure of the tornaments , like very bad actually?

Don't worry stars is implementing that also. And yeah you get less hands / hour at gg no matter what format.

Wait till you see what happens in ggpoker cash games. Whenever any players are all-in, it takes eternity on every street when there are several different variance-reducing options both players waste time on even if they both disagree to every "run it 3 times" or "equity cashout" options, because they'll just run down the timer anyway (basically nobody insta clicks "no" or "yes", always full timeout for some reason?). Then the same thing on the turn again. There doesn't even exist a checkbox for personally always declining all of this, so it'll happen in your own hands too.

And when there is option to straddle the timer also runs out. If you choose to click them or use hotkeys you get infinte ammount of clicks for the grind so players just let it run imo.

Fewer hands per round benefits the fun players at the expense of studied players. It is good for the ecosystem when the studied players' edge over the fun players is weakened.

Good for the ecosystem when a rec gets bored out of his mind while playing? Lol.

rabbit hunt=bad for poker period

Amateurs like rabbit hunting as well as running it twice. If you want to eliminate these things just so you can save 10 extra seconds then you're shortsighted . Have you ever played live? It is infinitely slower . Letting the amateurs have fun for a couple seconds is the way to go ��

Yea live is slow so why do things to slow it down even more

It’s bad for professionals because it slows the game down and amateurs less likely to chase with bad odds if they can see the river anyways. But bad for professionals is not necessarily the same thing as bad for poker, in fact the opposite is usually true, the rooms that cater to the nit promo regs always have the worst games, the rooms who provide a fun environment and/or hot chicks and that cater to amateurs usually have the best games even if you are playing less hands per hour.

Aren't all those options available because that's what the fun players like?

Not sure how people get bored out of their mind while playing online. I'm under the impression online one tabling is like live one tabling where everyone is on their phones or watching TV while not in a hand anyway?

Amateurs like it, thats why its there.. The notion that amateurs dislike these things is completely deluded. Its only regs or wannabe regs who dislike stuff like that. Amateurs dont care one iota that they play 2 hands less per hour.

Why do you assume the majority of amateurs like it? The people that do like things like rabbit hunting are amateurs but that doesn't mean all or even most amateurs like it. Don't recs crave action more than anything ?

Ok.

Things like rabbit hunting are around because some subset of customers want it. If it was universally unpopular, the sites wouldn't offer it.

Who do you think is the subset of players who like rabbit hunting is? You think it isn't recs, but then who do you think it is if it isn't recs?

Also yes, there is a large subset of recs who crave action, but it most definitely isn't all recs. There are plenty of recs who see ghosts on every flop and absolutely hate action. In fact I would say that most recs hate action just because of the variance it induces.

I absolutely think its recs but would those recs suddenly stop playing if rabbit hunting disappeared and would the numbers be large enough that it mattered

They probably wouldnt outright stop if rabbit hunting was removed. But its one of the things which probably improves retention rate. A little thing that makes a losing player think "hey, Im having fun playing on GG, might as well make another deposit"

Meanwhile, the regs, as proven by all the other actually negative **** that GG does (insane rake etc), arent going to stop playing there because rabbit hunting makes you play a few more hands per hour. They might complain but because the only thing they care about is which site has the most recs, they wont stop playing there ever as long as GG has the traffic. So in summary: No one is going to stop playing there because of rabbit hunting + some players will deposit more after busting because of rabbit hunting (and emojis etc, the interface stuff that appeals to fun players). So its a no brainer for GG to keep rabbit hunting.

Is this mythical "rec" someone playing for the first time in his life, not knowing the rules, and needing 60 seconds per street to figure out what his own hand is? There's no way an actual degenerate gambling addict - the best kind of customer - considers a high hands/hour rate a negative thing. Source: I am one and I'll always choose the fastest game.

They probably wouldn't but that's not the point. It's not like rabbit hunting is a natural part of the game that GG might want to remove to increase hands per hour. They implemented rabbit hunting specifically to have something that some fun players like and other rooms don't have.

They probably would remove rabbit hunting if a large enough number of fun players said they don't want to have it. They don't care if some regs are bothered by it or not.
So your question should be "will regs stop playing if rabbit hunting wasn't removed and would the numbers be large enough that it mattered".

Interesting.

As a rec, I don't think I'd care either way if rabbit hunting or running multiple times was available. Put another way, I'm not quitting a room (virtual or B&M) if they take it away, nor am I flocking to a place that has it. If such features are in place, I could see many recs being more likely to gamble it up for a huge pot, so that's certain incentive for rooms to have it.

However...

The only thing that ever annoys me playing poker – again, online or live – is waiting needlessly for people to act. It's actually kind of weird, too. If I was at a live table that saw 35-40 hands per hour, I'd be thrilled, because it means everyone is acting quickly. But if I'm at an online table seeing 50 hands per hour, I'm halfway toward wanting to take a life. Even though it's zippier than the fastest live games, it's slower than it should be. Hence the emphasis on the word "needlessly." Thus, if I know the rabbit hunt (or run it twice) feature is slowing us down, I'm switching tables or sites.

All this said, do we really know to what extent GG or any other sites take in feedback from their recreational players? Or do they have data that rabbit hunting/RIT options draw traffic? Kebabkungen, I agree with every one of your posts in this thread, but you and I might just be speculating on what the huddled masses actually like.

Finally, poster Hellmuth was right nailed it on this:

I always find it funny how many threads on 2+2 seem to miss this. Sure, I get where they're coming from: if you're a reg, you're a business' best customer, so it seems everything should be catered to your wants and needs. That would make sense in almost any other business.

But poker isn't like most other businesses. If I buy a car, my satisfaction of that vehicle is not predicated on other drivers crashing. If I go to a restaurant, my enjoyment of the meal does not rely on others getting food poisoning. No, the analog of a poker reg is a car buyer who sees everyone else loving their cars... but not as much as you. Or a restaurant regular who sees everyone else thoroughly enjoying their meal... but also knowing they like theirs better. (Yeah, weird analogies, which further illustrates how unusual poker is as a business.)

Whenever a reg complaints about some smallish thing that is diminishing his enjoyment but probably a net positive to his earn, I always think back to something Court Harrington said on PokerRoad Radio: imagine someone who keeps wadding up $20 bills and throwing them at your face. Sure, it would be annoying as hell, but why would you ever ask him to stop?

Be carefull... Americans usually dont understand analogies, or at least pretend to be too dumb, if it doesnt support their argument, in my exeperience

"Hey hey hey what are you saying man... if I see you in a poker room, you're gonna poison my food and cut my brake lines???"

If anyone should be anti rabbit hunt shouldn't it be the poker sites? You can argue it barely makes a difference in how many hands played per an hour, but when we're talking about millions or billions of hands played per it adds up to lots of lost rake

The best is when players ask for a wash. Then immediately get felted. There’s nothing in poker more satisfying.

who gives a **** about such a small thing?

I once asked if I could object to a guy asking for a wash. I never say anything if it's a fish but it was just a cry baby nit who folded for a few hours. The dealer said he's not sure so the guy ripped his cards the next hand and got a 24 hour ban.