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Old 04-17-2017, 12:14 AM   #51
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During an edition of BBC's Timewatch program, an eyewitness described the carnage in cell block 4. They saw an inmate held up in front of a window; he was being tortured by using a blow torch on his face. They then started using the torch on his eyes, and then the inmate's head exploded. Another described the scene when he came across Mario Urioste, originally jailed for shoplifting, but was incarcerated in cell block 4 for his own protection after he had been apparently gang-raped by other inmates. Urioste was found hanged with his throat cut, and his dismembered genitals stuffed into his mouth.[14]
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:14 PM   #52
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650 views on that video man.

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Old 04-17-2017, 11:57 PM   #53
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And, if you believe that I have been bullying people, you have been listening to the wrong folks. I have bullied no one.

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Your "don't believe what you hear" reply doesn't work. It isn't a case of "listening to the wrong folks". People have personally witnessed your bullying actions on numerous sites. Don't try to tell them they didn't see what they saw.
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Old 04-18-2017, 05:55 AM   #54
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What live dealer software was it that BetOnline used when this scam occurred?
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Old 04-18-2017, 06:54 AM   #55
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Your "don't believe what you hear" reply doesn't work. It isn't a case of "listening to the wrong folks". People have personally witnessed your bullying actions on numerous sites. Don't try to tell them they didn't see what they saw.
You have stated (hundreds of times on numerous forums) that I have tried have you banned on several sites. This is 100% false. It never happened. It is you that go from site to site to site making false accusations against multiple people including vile, fabricated characterizations. I guess you now add this site, once again hijacking a thread to spread your hate. Your actions are what got you banned at three sites. It is time you took responsibility for your own actions and stopped blaming others.
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Old 04-18-2017, 11:12 AM   #56
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You have stated (hundreds of times on numerous forums) that I have tried have you banned on several sites. This is 100% false. It never happened. It is you that go from site to site to site making false accusations against multiple people including vile, fabricated characterizations. I guess you now add this site, once again hijacking a thread to spread your hate. Your actions are what got you banned at three sites. It is time you took responsibility for your own actions and stopped blaming others.
I didn't hijack this thread. Another member of this site brought up your bullying tendencies, which date back years and are pretty well known throughout the AP community by now.

Nor have I been banned at three sites. I have seen you put that number at anywhere from 3 to 5 sites. I have been banned at two sites. Your site and a second site, that you hadn't participated at for almost 6 years, until you trolled me to that site and begged the administrator, Michael Shackleford to ban me, because I had a negative opinion of your site and the phony and misleading members that dominate your "voodoo site". Shackleford himself said he couldn't say no to your request to ban me because you had done favors for him in the past.

That you would even request such a favor of him (and it's his words that you did), speaks volumes as to who you are....a big crybaby and bully, trying to shut down anyone who has an opinion you don't like.

Yet, you continue to provide a platform for a complete phony, spewing BS that you, yourself KNOW is untrue and misleading and a second guy who frequently makes completely untrue statements as part of his sales pitch to newer players that he wants to 'mentor' for a fee.

You, sir are a sellout. You are not interested in helping anyone in the blackjack AP community or providing a space for the sharing of ideas, including opposing ideas....as you often claim. You are now only interested in the handful of phony and misleading people that post on your site frequently. It doesn't matter that what they post is BS and that as a mathematician, you KNOW it is wrong and misleading. They post frequently and it generates traffic and that's what is important to you now....not providing space for legitimate blackjack AP information. That is why you have earned the reputation as a bully and your site has now earned the reputation of a "voodoo site".

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Old 04-18-2017, 11:35 AM   #57
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I did not beg, suggest, hint, or in any other manner indicate that I wanted you banned from WoV. I swear this on my mother's grave. Michael publicly stated that I never made such a request. You have posted this lie on numerous sites hundreds of times. There is absolutely no truth to it. None. You have been banned at BJTF, WoV, and BJInfo. The post by Ken closing your BJI membership is still there. The new owner's reopened your membership on the stipulation that you not spread this nonsense on that site.

You claim that I am a bully and Mike Shackleford is a bully; but it is you that constantly demand that people with whom you disagree be shut up. And for heaven’s sake, realize how sick are all your references to my death. How do you think it helps anyone to say you will celebrate on the day I die?

Not everything is about you. But, you go site to site, interrupting other conversations, to talk about yourself and how horribly you have been wronged because admin’s stop your constant personal attacks and melodramas.

I came here to make some comments about the subject of this thread as I had some contact with Morgenstern. But once again, you turn a thread into a pile of nonsense, false accusations that become wilder with each year.
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Old 04-18-2017, 12:04 PM   #58
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I did not beg, suggest, hint, or in any other manner indicate that I wanted you banned from WoV. I swear this on my mother's grave. Michael publicly stated that I never made such a request. You have posted this lie on numerous sites hundreds of times. There is absolutely no truth to it.
On March 14, n a private message Michael Shackleford wrote:


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Hi Kewlj,

Thank you for expressing your feelings about this and having the courtesy to say "good bye" in a civil manner.

I will be sorry to see you go. If I had the choice between you and Norm as members, I would take you any day.

In my defense, I have considered Norm a friend for years before his first post. He has helped me out several times when I needed some difficult blackjack math confirmed and he has never asked for anything in return. So, when he, after all the favors he has done for me, asked for one in return, I had a hard time saying "no."

So I concede that working out that truce and then enforcing it was done out of some favoritism towards Norm. Had Norm been somebody I didn't know, I wouldn't have bothered with it. Nevertheless, I tried to enforce it fairly, and stand by that you broke it at least twice. There was another time I could have given you a suspension for breaking it between the two times I did, and Norm wrote to me several times demanding I take action. He was enraged that I didn't.

After I did suspend Norm, he wrote me to saying that we're no longer on speaking terms as he claimed I showed favoritism your way.

Somehow both of you feel I was biased towards the other and I've lost both of you over this. Maybe I didn't handle it perfectly, but I tried. I will file this whole mess under "No good deed goes unpunished."

Regarding your other PM, yes, I'm know that Norm is badmouthing WoV. It isn't just that post you quoted. Nothing I can do about it and frankly I no longer really care.

Again, I thank you for writing in a civil and courteous manner, which is a lot more than I got from Norm. I wish you all the best as you go on with your life. Thank you for all your contributions to WoV. The forum will be a lesser place without you.

I will ask that you keep what I said about Norm in this message private.

Best Regards,

Mike


I enclosed the message in it's entirety so as not to be accused of cherry-picking anything, but please take careful note of the following lines:

In my defense, I have considered Norm a friend for years before his first post. He has helped me out several times when I needed some difficult blackjack math confirmed and he has never asked for anything in return. So, when he, after all the favors he has done for me, asked for one in return, I had a hard time saying "no."

as well as: Norm wrote to me several times demanding I take action. He was enraged that I didn't.

These are Shackleford's words...not mine. He is clearly stating that you "demanded" and bullied him into banning someone....."as a favor". And I have no problem sharing this, for which he asked me not to. Just the fact that he asked me not to indicates, his fear of you. (Bullied). That is some friendship!

Again, these are Shackleford's words. This PM is still preserved at WoV. Ask your "friend" Shackleford for a copy. Or if you like, I can print out a copy, complete with Shackleford's heading at the top.

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Old 04-18-2017, 12:18 PM   #59
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The post by Ken closing your BJI membership is still there. The new owner's reopened your membership on the stipulation that you not spread this nonsense on that site.
Yes the post by Ken closing my membership in September 2011, is still there. As is the post by Ken, reinstating my membership in November 2011. The new owner did not reopen anything, nor was there any "stipulation".

And more importantly that incident had nothing to do with you, or any feud with you. I was completely non-related, yet you like to lump it in, falsely stating it is one of the sites I was banned at relating to you and a feud with you.

The fact is I was banned at two sites: Yours, which obviously only you have control over, and second site where you showed up after almost a 6 year absence to demand and request that I be banned. This is in the administrator's very words. Tell the truth for once in your freaking life. Stop bulling people and trying to silence anyone who has an opinion you don't like. Try being a freaking human being. I realize this might be difficult for a Wall Street banker, with a lifetime of this lying and dishonesty, bullying, cover-up mentality.

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Old 04-18-2017, 12:20 PM   #60
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You are known for publishing private correspondence which is both unethical and illegal (all PMs are protected by copyright). It has also been well documented that you have lied about the contents of PMs, leave out important parts, and draw baseless conclusions by reading between the lines. But even despite that, what you just illegally posted nowhere, nohow says that I asked for you to be banned.

I asked Mike to remove posts of yours that contained slanderous accusations against several BJTF members, falsely accusing them of crimes, as these posts violated WoV guidelines. This is what Mike speaks of. I did not beg, suggest, hint, or in any other manner indicate that I wanted you banned from WoV. I swear this on my mother's grave. Michael publicly stated that I never made such a request. This is now the seventh forum where you have butted into conversations to spew outright lies.
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Old 04-18-2017, 12:26 PM   #61
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You guys need you your own thread. This is entertaining stuff!!!!
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Old 04-18-2017, 12:26 PM   #62
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Yes the post by Ken closing my membership in September 2011, is still there. As is the post by Ken, reinstating my membership in November 2011. The new owner did not reopen anything, nor was there any "stipulation".

And more importantly that incident had nothing to do with you, or any feud with you. I was completely non-related, yet you like to lump it in, falsely stating it is one of the sites I was banned at relating to you and a feud with you.

The fact is I was banned at two sites: Yours, which obviously only you have control over, and second site where you showed up after almost a 6 year absence to demand and request that I be banned. This is in the administrator's very words. Tell the truth for once in your freaking life.
No, I did not in any way state that your ban at BJI was related to me. It was your constant dramas culminating in your faked death. Again, you invent something, claim I said it, and then claim I lied.

Yes, you promised not to spread this bull on the new BJI. You stated this yourself in a post there.

I did not beg, suggest, hint, or in any other manner indicate that I wanted you banned from WoV. It is a lie that you have now spread to seven sites. You wrote me saying that you would spend the next 50 years, long after I am dead and gone, with these posts. You wrote Mike with almost the exact same message.
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Old 04-18-2017, 12:37 PM   #63
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You guys need you your own thread. This is entertaining stuff!!!!
It is not entertaining. He is been spreading this filth and slanderous attacks based purely on his own paranoia against other people for a couple years now. He does so, often using my full, real name in an attempt to harm my life and the lives of my family. (I am the only person with my name in the U.S.) Despite his constant attacks, I have never and will never use his real name as that would not be acceptable behavior. Nor will I publish the streams of foul-mouthed e-mails he has sent me as that is unethical and illegal. This is harmful to the community. This is even harmful to KJ. It is a serious sickness.

This is my last post here. I am sure he will continue to post these absurd, outright fabrications for years to come, as he has sworn to do. In fact, he has sworn to both Mike and me that he will continue for the next 50 years, long after we are dead and gone.
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Old 04-18-2017, 12:44 PM   #64
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You are known for publishing private correspondence which is both unethical and illegal (all PMs are protected by copyright). It has also been well documented that you have lied about the contents of PMs, leave out important parts, and draw baseless conclusions by reading between the lines. But even despite that, what you just illegally posted nowhere, nohow says that I asked for you to be banned.
Typical Norm. "You just illegally posted this or that". Always threatening legal action. Always filing complaints. The administrator here, will no doubt receive notice from Norm threating legal action if he/she does not remove my posts. This has been his M.O. for years, long before this particular feud. Ban this person. Remove these posts. Censor or silence them. You are a crybaby and a bully Norman. To quote Stu from the movie hangover, when he stands up to his girlfriend at the end, "you are just a bad person....right through to your core".

The thing is Norm, I am not afraid of the truth. I don't hide behind the notion that you can't say that because it's private or protected. I don't threaten and beg that someone not be allowed to say this or that. I am not afraid of the truth. I don't need to cover up or beg someone not to reveal something because I told them in confidence. Why are you afraid of the truth?
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Old 04-18-2017, 01:06 PM   #65
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It is not entertaining. He is been spreading this filth and slanderous attacks based purely on his own paranoia against other people for a couple years now. He does so, often using my full, real name in an attempt to harm my life and the lives of my family. (I am the only person with my name in the U.S.) Despite his constant attacks, I have never and will never use his real name as that would not be acceptable behavior. Nor will I publish the streams of foul-mouthed e-mails he has sent me as that is unethical and illegal. This is harmful to the community. This is even harmful to KJ. It is a serious sickness.

This is my last post here. I am sure he will continue to post these absurd, outright fabrications for years to come, as he has sworn to do. In fact, he has sworn to both Mike and me that he will continue for the next 50 years, long after we are dead and gone.
Here we go. Spin it that I am the bad guy, violating your privacy by revealing your name. You chose to reveal your name as part of your marketing. You have numerous websites marketing your products and you name is prominently displayed everywhere. Your name and handle are very public and interchangeable.

Don't make it seem like I have 'outed' you or violated anything. I am a professional blackjack player and as such hold privacy very important for obvious reasons. I would never violate someone's privacy like that. You, chose to reveal your name and market off of it. So don't spin it that I have done anything.

And for those of you not familiar....this is Norm's typical ending. On his own site when there is conversation he doesn't like or can't answer for, he closes the thread and says something like "I don't have time for this, I have work to do". On other sites, when there is conversation he doesn't like or can't answer for, he likes to drop that "this is my last post here" line, playing the victim. He's been hurt and won't post any longer. This is very typical bully behavior. They bully, but when someone stands up to them, they take there ball and go home.

If I had just a nickel (red) casino chip for every time Norm made a "last post", I could retire early and wouldn't have to spend my days in a smoke filled casino earning a living.
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Old 04-18-2017, 04:42 PM   #66
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Just googled Norman Wattenberger as I'd never heard of him.

Man, Kewlj, you have really gotten your message out. This shows up on his first results page on Google - https://www.gamblingforums.com/threa...ged-with.6635/
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Old 04-18-2017, 05:10 PM   #67
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I didn't hijack this thread.
Wait, what? I'd say you've had a pretty big hand in the derail we're on now.

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On other sites, when there is conversation he doesn't like or can't answer for, he likes to drop that "this is my last post here" line, playing the victim. He's been hurt and won't post any longer. This is very typical bully behavior. They bully, but when someone stands up to them, they take there ball and go home.
That could be, but it's also what people do when they feel a derail has gone on long enough, and it's time to move on. Something you should consider here.

Do you have any thoughts on the actual thread topic?
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Old 04-18-2017, 08:50 PM   #68
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Do you have any thoughts on the actual thread topic?
I do have thoughts on the whole Michael Morgenstern ordeal. (even before he landed back in Jail).

After watching about 30 seconds of one of his video's (and I jumped in the middle), it was fairly obvious to me that Mr. Morgenstern was not a professional blackjack player (the title he bestowed upon himself). He is a guy who learned a bit of card counting basics, and was attempting to use social media to make a buck by marketing that very basic knowledge.

I wasn't impressed, but it's a free world....well at least my corner of it.

I do get concerned when I see someone mislead newer players, but in Mr Morgenstern's case, it was so obvious that I wasn't that concerned. I have a saying that players can usually figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking. Anyone even remotely serious about blackjack should be able to figure out which Mr Morgenstern is.

I am not going to comment further because I really don't feel the need to pile on and kick someone when they are down. I wish nothing bad for Morgenstern, as I don't know him.
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It is not entertaining. He is been spreading this filth and slanderous attacks based purely on his own paranoia against other people for a couple years now. He does so, often using my full, real name in an attempt to harm my life and the lives of my family. (I am the only person with my name in the U.S.) Despite his constant attacks, I have never and will never use his real name as that would not be acceptable behavior. Nor will I publish the streams of foul-mouthed e-mails he has sent me as that is unethical and illegal. This is harmful to the community. This is even harmful to KJ. It is a serious sickness.

This is my last post here. I am sure he will continue to post these absurd, outright fabrications for years to come, as he has sworn to do. In fact, he has sworn to both Mike and me that he will continue for the next 50 years, long after we are dead and gone.

You're both clearly howling autistics, however this is a good teaching tool here.

For whatever reason, internet 'communities' attract pathologically obsessive type people. Perhaps its because those same people struggle to socialize in real life so they find an outlet on the internet. Whatever the reason, you're way, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more likely to encounter legitimately unbalanced and potentially dangerous people on the internet than in any random bar.

The danger when you combine an obsessive individual with the internet and some sort of grudge is that the internet makes all people nuclear when it comes to the personal reputations of anyone they hold a grudge against. Since most obsessive types trend high on the sociopath spectrum (as they value their own pet obsessions over any sort of ethical thesis), this results in what we see from time to time; some crank trashing your name and reputation online over some moronic 'online beef' which can have severe consequences in real life (since the laws haven't caught up this thing)

Never, ever, ever, ever make unknown e-Pals with 'internet people' using your real identity. Use a pseudonym if need be. You have no idea who is on the other end and if something goes sideways, they can harm your life with very little effort.

Most people are like little puppies standing on the shoulder of a busy interstate highway on this issue. Clueless, naive. Facebook is a perfect example of this. When the consequences come and they learn the hard way it's too late.
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Are you kidding me? Maybe not scam by Tue strict definition but def BS. Do you honestly believe he literally torched a 10k stack in his backyard campfire?
Nobody who can afford to burn $10k carries luggage as cheap and nasty as that guy was using.

Before you go burning $10k, first go and buy yourself a suitcase that costs more than $20.
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Old 04-21-2017, 08:57 AM   #71
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Only saw a couple of MM's videos and was intensely skeptical.

I know very little about the blackjack world and something I've never gotten a straight answer on (from someone who isn't a charlatan) is:

Can you actually beat blackjack by card counting in this day and age? Is that still a thing or have casino measures basically rendered the possible player edge to be minuscule?
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:26 PM   #72
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Can you actually beat blackjack by card counting in this day and age? Is that still a thing or have casino measures basically rendered the possible player edge to be minuscule?
The short answer is yes.

But it is much more difficult than 20-30 years ago. Conditions have deteriorated, rules added that add to house advantage that needs to be overcome and the casinos ability to "detect" you play improved.

The overall edge you can achieve from card counting is smaller. Very small. Less than 1% overall. But with discipline still very possible. I am in my 14th year of supporting myself solely from card counting (and a bit of supplemental advantage play). Not getting "rich" but I have and continue to make what I consider a decent living.

Success today is more about more figuring ways to be "allowed" to continue to play and win and identifying levels that are better tolerated.
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You're both clearly howling autistics, however this is a good teaching tool here.

For whatever reason, internet 'communities' attract pathologically obsessive type people. Perhaps its because those same people struggle to socialize in real life so they find an outlet on the internet. Whatever the reason, you're way, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more likely to encounter legitimately unbalanced and potentially dangerous people on the internet than in any random bar.

The danger when you combine an obsessive individual with the internet and some sort of grudge is that the internet makes all people nuclear when it comes to the personal reputations of anyone they hold a grudge against. Since most obsessive types trend high on the sociopath spectrum (as they value their own pet obsessions over any sort of ethical thesis), this results in what we see from time to time; some crank trashing your name and reputation online over some moronic 'online beef' which can have severe consequences in real life (since the laws haven't caught up this thing)

Never, ever, ever, ever make unknown e-Pals with 'internet people' using your real identity. Use a pseudonym if need be. You have no idea who is on the other end and if something goes sideways, they can harm your life with very little effort.

Most people are like little puppies standing on the shoulder of a busy interstate highway on this issue. Clueless, naive. Facebook is a perfect example of this. When the consequences come and they learn the hard way it's too late.
says the man posting in an online forum..
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:46 PM   #74
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says the man posting in an online forum..
Says the man responding to the man posting on an online forum....
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Old 04-23-2017, 01:10 PM   #75
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I watched a few of Michael's videos. They were pretty fun. I think he does a pretty good job of keeping them interesting considering how boring the topic is. My only question is wtf does this have to do with general poker discussion and why in the hell is this being discussed on a poker forum? Can someone please post a Pewdiepie thread too...W T F?!?
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