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Old 04-11-2017, 10:46 AM   #1
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"Blackjack Professional" Michael Morgenstern Is Scam, Arrested (Details)

I have no idea if this was ever posted on here, but could not find it.

Do you guys remember that dude who lit 10k on fire in one of his videos? The guy that was starting an army of blackjack players to raid casinos? He promised he was going to destroy all of the existing systems and offer a free one, no markup on anything as stated in his videos. He also said he was a millionaire at many points in his video. He was arrested on 3rd degree domestic assault charges and is going back to the big house. He also tried to swindle would-be players by selling card cheat sheets and decks for dirt cheap with huge markup, and is not a professional. His "admin" was also trying to get people to pay for some item and jumped boat as soon as Michael was outed. I watched this from the sidelines of the forum he created, here is a note from the guy "left in charge". I halfway believed this guy because he really wasn't trying to sell much or push anything, and was actually amusing on camera at times. I also have a few mutual friends with the guy, he is from the West Coast of Florida - I know, shocking, as this would be the 3rd scam this year in the blackjack/poker arena from the greater Tampa metro area. The following is a chat log from Discord.

Johnny Carter (Tyrant) - Last Sunday at 9:30 PM
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Dear all,

Mike was arrested for 3rd degree domestic battery. He was under the infulence of alcohol, pushed Katie around and went on to choking her. Katie has cut all ties with Mike and is moving on. Regarding Salty, he only ever got on this ship in order to make some money.

Mike is not a card counter. Mike is a SCAM. The Screenshots below show you guys, how he thouhgt we were all dumb, and how he just used us for his financial gain. Mike didn't own a 700k$ house, he was living uas a tenant in a 50k$ home. The only interest Mike ever had was making money off our backs and our money. His intentions was never to teach us blackjack, as we are all able to see off his videos. He did not know what he was doing.

HOWEVER, we have a lot of knowledgable players such as exo, dradvantage, frog, sparrow, etc... These people are here to actually teach you blackjack without asking for any donations or selling any products. We will be positing valuable and truthful contect on dradvantage's youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Q...pn0mNKKJheVg7w Moving forward anything made by the discord will be out towards the members by means of making affordable boot camps.

These are the important messages Mike sent out " I can get two different basic strategy options... 52 of those for 0.02$ and sell them for 4.95$, PROFIT WOULD BE OUT OF THIS WORLD.
"I can design a basic blackjack science type of deal and sell those for 29$ with a cost of only 0.02$.
"Little do they know they are helping my website lol sold over 700$ from it just today :wink: -- This was sent in early February"
"New website coming up... $$$$$$$$$ coming in after production starts on cards"
"We need to set up a nation wide tour, we'd kill it PLUS do training seminars $$$$$$$$$$$$$"
"Youtube actually pays too lol and i JUST started this channel lol"

This is a chat log between him and one of his "Admins" who has now disappeared.











For some reason, maybe because of mutual friends, he wanted to call me on the phone to discuss cards and had an interest in poker as well. I didn't really have any interest in talking to him, I didn't find any info he was putting out as groundbreaking, just some free info to get interest in people who had little or nothing to lose by going out and trying to count cards. He made it look easy and a lot of guys fell for it and lost what little money they had to their name with the false confidence of being able to count. I think he is facing 3 years for choking out his wife, plus whatever parole violations he may have incurred.
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Old 04-11-2017, 11:10 AM   #2
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Re: "Blackjack Professional" Michael Morgenstern Is Scam, Arrested (Details)

The domestic violence thing is obviously a serious issue, but nothing in those text messages shows him to be any kind of scammer or that he is not a good counter. Of course he wants to make money for producing content.
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Old 04-11-2017, 11:15 AM   #3
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Re: "Blackjack Professional" Michael Morgenstern Is Scam, Arrested (Details)

A lot of counters on this forum seemed to think he was full of hot air. Regardless he screwed up, he had his youtube audience hook line and sinker. He could have just kept uploading videos and been fine. How much time does 3rd degree assault get?

I enjoyed his hidden cam videos he should have kept making those.
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Old 04-11-2017, 11:29 AM   #4
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Re: "Blackjack Professional" Michael Morgenstern Is Scam, Arrested (Details)

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The domestic violence thing is obviously a serious issue, but nothing in those text messages shows him to be any kind of scammer or that he is not a good counter. Of course he wants to make money for producing content.
I agree, no scam or criminal stuff in the texts, if you watch his videos, he stresses how much he wants them to be free and that other guys are ripoff artists. He said he never made a cent off his "soldiers".

He was an entertaining guy though. I think the 3rd degree assault will get him minimum 3 years with his existing bank robbery record and any parole violations are just going to up that. I wouldn't be shocked if he got 6+ years for the whole ordeal.
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Old 04-11-2017, 12:39 PM   #5
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Re: "Blackjack Professional" Michael Morgenstern Is Scam, Arrested (Details)

I told everyone in his live chat months ago that he was a nobody just looking to get people to buy stuff from his store. I was called a hater and to STFU lol.

They all believed in the guy and that you can just print money at Blackjack if you only watch his 'training' videos. People are so gullible.
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Old 04-11-2017, 12:43 PM   #6
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Re: "Blackjack Professional" Michael Morgenstern Is Scam, Arrested (Details)

As I said in the online black 'scandal' where he posted vid of dealer making a mistake in a small blackjack bet he seemed /seems like a pretty unstable individual and likely not legit with how laughably degen his 'live casino videos' feel like
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Old 04-11-2017, 12:48 PM   #7
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As I said in the online black 'scandal' where he posted vid of dealer making a mistake in a small blackjack bet he seemed /seems like a pretty unstable individual and likely not legit with how laughably degen his 'live casino videos' feel like
I actually said that as well. But nothing in the so-called "proof" shows that he was doing running any kind of scam or doing anything wrong. Seems like a disgruntled employee. Perhaps a friend of the wife. Tough to speculate but there is definitely a second side to this, not to excuse the alleged abuse because if that is true, clearly unacceptable.
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Old 04-11-2017, 01:21 PM   #8
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A lot of counters on this forum seemed to think he was full of hot air. Regardless he screwed up, he had his youtube audience hook line and sinker. He could have just kept uploading videos and been fine. How much time does 3rd degree assault get?

I enjoyed his hidden cam videos he should have kept making those.
you'd have to be a moron to think this guy knew anything.
i watched a few of his videos- not only is he clearly not playing winning bj he was an obvious con artist. one of the videos i saw was him swearing he made like 200k a night stack of cash (that were obviously ones on the inside)

of course his you tube fan boys are dumb casino degens who want free and easy money.

he made it seem like oh you know the count is +4 now you just destroy the casino and our army will all destroy them! classic stuff. unfortuantely i'm sure tons of people watched these videos practiced "counting" for 10 mins and went out and got their asses handed to them.
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Old 04-11-2017, 11:17 PM   #9
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I actually said that as well. But nothing in the so-called "proof" shows that he was doing running any kind of scam or doing anything wrong. Seems like a disgruntled employee. Perhaps a friend of the wife. Tough to speculate but there is definitely a second side to this, not to excuse the alleged abuse because if that is true, clearly unacceptable.
Are you kidding me? Maybe not scam by Tue strict definition but def BS. Do you honestly believe he literally torched a 10k stack in his backyard campfire? Did you watch the vids he made in casinos with his spyglasses where he acted like a complete loud and belligerent moron drawing attention to himself telling everyone at the table he was a "professional" bj player and card counter? No counter does that. Oh and the battery to the glasses seemed to die every time before he could show how he made the 100k. Why didn't he have 5 sets of glasses or extra batteries of he had millions? The YT chat and comments always tripped me out how people were buying into that ****.

I wouldve lost all respect for him anyway for the way he cursed at and in front of his ~10 year old daughter.

And this
http://incarcerationconsultant.com

Dude made his own bed.
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Old 04-11-2017, 11:17 PM   #10
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Re: "Blackjack Professional" Michael Morgenstern Is Scam, Arrested (Details)

The only way to beat the house in blackjack is by doing copious amounts of yayo.
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Old 04-12-2017, 01:03 AM   #11
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Are you kidding me? Maybe not scam by Tue strict definition but def BS. Do you honestly believe he literally torched a 10k stack in his backyard campfire? Did you watch the vids he made in casinos with his spyglasses where he acted like a complete loud and belligerent moron drawing attention to himself telling everyone at the table he was a "professional" bj player and card counter? No counter does that. Oh and the battery to the glasses seemed to die every time before he could show how he made the 100k. Why didn't he have 5 sets of glasses or extra batteries of he had millions? The YT chat and comments always tripped me out how people were buying into that ****.

I wouldve lost all respect for him anyway for the way he cursed at and in front of his ~10 year old daughter.

And this
http://incarcerationconsultant.com

Dude made his own bed.
Maybe so. But when someone calls him out for being a scammer and his only proof is those text messages, the guy calling him out loses all credibility.
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Old 04-12-2017, 01:17 AM   #12
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Maybe so. But when someone calls him out for being a scammer and his only proof is those text messages, the guy calling him out loses all credibility.
Go read his story on the website. Its a novel in the making.
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Old 04-12-2017, 03:20 AM   #13
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Back before poker became full of naive basement-autistics, a garden variety grifter stood pretty much no chance at grifting professional gamblers.

These days, their cunning and higher EQ makes quick work of the Cul De Sac types who bring a high IQ and make money but are basically like Galapagos birds that walk up to people because they don't know to be afraid.

Naive People + Easy Money = Fertile Ground for ****bags and honestly, it's a total coinflip whether I'm rooting for the con man or the conned.
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Old 04-12-2017, 06:14 AM   #14
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Re: "Blackjack Professional" Michael Morgenstern Is Scam, Arrested (Details)

Who?

I have no idea what he was selling but anyone who got "scammed" by him deserves it. What a bunch of idiots, I hope they wasted a lot of money. It's like the people throwing away 10% of their money on the church, they deserve to lose it for being so stupid.
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Old 04-12-2017, 08:00 AM   #15
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Back before poker became full of naive basement-autistics, a garden variety grifter stood pretty much no chance at grifting professional gamblers.

These days, their cunning and higher EQ makes quick work of the Cul De Sac types who bring a high IQ and make money but are basically like Galapagos birds that walk up to people because they don't know to be afraid.

Naive People + Easy Money = Fertile Ground for ****bags and honestly, it's a total coinflip whether I'm rooting for the con man or the conned.


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Old 04-12-2017, 08:34 AM   #16
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Re: "Blackjack Professional" Michael Morgenstern Is Scam, Arrested (Details)

Norm Wattenberger of Blackjack The Forum had some criticism for this kid who was in direct competition with him. Norm has his own issues with bullying people to get what he wants. But this kid fired him right up. It was fun watching him call Norm all kinds of punk ass bitches. He told Norm to keep his MF'ing mouth shut or else. I think it scared the hell out of Norm. I LMAO!
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Old 04-12-2017, 09:24 AM   #17
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Re: "Blackjack Professional" Michael Morgenstern Is Scam, Arrested (Details)

few weeks ago saw a few vids of this guy.
Kept watching only because you could easily see how emotional unstable the guy was and how ridiculous it was... I thought it was fascinating..

Anybody who slightly believed this was all legit deserves to be "scammed" if you can call it that at all..
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Old 04-12-2017, 10:23 AM   #18
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I only titled it "scam" because it was titled that way on the BJarmy forum. I honestly am surprised so many of his "soldiers" took it hook, line and sinker and gave this guy the utmost respect.

I do believe that misrepresenting yourself as a "professional" in order to get people to purchase items for profit would be considered a scam, no? I think if someone came on this forum and said they were a pro, offered products or services that were basic knowledge to anyone that had played poker for a week, that would be deceptive? The photos are there to show he made a good profit when he said he wasn't making a cent.

Anyway, I am behind on my writing and I don't have any dog in this fight, back to the pen grind.
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Old 04-12-2017, 10:37 AM   #19
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Norm Wattenberger of Blackjack The Forum had some criticism for this kid who was in direct competition with him. Norm has his own issues with bullying people to get what he wants. But this kid fired him right up. It was fun watching him call Norm all kinds of punk ass bitches. He told Norm to keep his MF'ing mouth shut or else. I think it scared the hell out of Norm. I LMAO!
direct competition now that's something to laugh your ass over

norm actually knows this **** i'd be surprised if this clown could even count down a deck let alone actually know what to do with it. then again you're amused by a moron acting like 14 year old pretending he can beat blackjack.
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Old 04-12-2017, 12:32 PM   #20
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Norm Wattenberger of Blackjack The Forum had some criticism for this kid who was in direct competition with him. Norm has his own issues with bullying people to get what he wants. But this kid fired him right up. It was fun watching him call Norm all kinds of punk ass bitches. He told Norm to keep his MF'ing mouth shut or else. I think it scared the hell out of Norm. I LMAO!
Actually, the criticism was started by members of BJTF, not me. MM e-mailed me on several occasions begging me to join him to make money in some manner. Obviously, I refused. He created five memberships on my forum praising himself. I removed them. That's when the obscene phone calls started. Mostly unintelligible screaming. Then the hang-up calls. They mysteriously stopped when he went back to jail.

I don't know what you mean by scared me. What could he possibly do to me? As for competition, I am most certainly not in any competition with this fraud. And, if you believe that I have been bullying people, you have been listening to the wrong folks. I have bullied no one.

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Old 04-12-2017, 01:04 PM   #21
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Yes TST it is a scam. Not like straight robbing someone but def a con, representing yourself to be something you're not. Calling it a scam doesn't lose anyone credibility. But defending the guy does IMO. I don't know norm but I can't see this guy being real competition to anyone.

Did anyone see the video posted right after he went to jail, last Thursday I think? It was deleted by the next day. It was just a PowerPoint of text saying how he was getting screwed by the Man and didn't really do anything wrong. Saying he couldn't bail himself out and requesting help and donations be sent to the jail for his bond. Sad thing is I bet some people actually sent money.
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Old 04-12-2017, 01:38 PM   #22
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Old 04-12-2017, 01:48 PM   #23
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plot twist, TST = ipuntstacks

busting up the corrupt underground BJ scene
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Old 04-12-2017, 05:06 PM   #24
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Hahahaha. I watched his videos because they were funny. In a weird blackjack wannabe gangster luke schwartz kind of way. Could u imagine him trying to explain the math behind counting... lmao. He was always saying he was ready to go to jail. Well here go dick head
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Old 04-13-2017, 03:29 AM   #25
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I only titled it "scam" because it was titled that way on the BJarmy forum. I honestly am surprised so many of his "soldiers" took it hook, line and sinker and gave this guy the utmost respect.

I do believe that misrepresenting yourself as a "professional" in order to get people to purchase items for profit would be considered a scam, no? I think if someone came on this forum and said they were a pro, offered products or services that were basic knowledge to anyone that had played poker for a week, that would be deceptive? The photos are there to show he made a good profit when he said he wasn't making a cent.

Anyway, I am behind on my writing and I don't have any dog in this fight, back to the pen grind.
I can be a professional BJ player as of today... a losing one but a professional one.
Just because im doing it for a living makes me a professional.. so its thin line i guess.
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