"In the book Outliers, the author claims that the key to success in any field is, to a large extent, a matter of practicing a specific task for a total of around 10,000 hours."



He gives examples of successful people who have achieved the 10,000 hour rule and mentions it as one of the main reasons for their success. Some of the people that I remember him talking about are Bill Gates, Mozart, The Beatles.

I wonder if top poker players such as Ivey, Durrrr, Jman, Antonious, Dangs etc. have put in 10,000 hours.

I would say nearly all online pros above .5/1 nl have over 10,000 hrs under their belt.

10k hours is about a year. I dont think so.

That's far from the truth. In order to clock in 10,000 hours you need to play 2.73 years of 10 hours EACH single day or 5.48 years of 5 hours a day.

I dont say some of them have accomplished that, but to say almost everyone is far far from the truth. You have online kids that have some luck and skills along the way that become online pros in matter of few years and most of them either goes to school or have a job on top of that.

I noticed something similar but I called it the 5-year rule. After 5 years is when a person's genius potential can start to show.

There is another book with a similar theme called "Talent is overrated" (I think). The idea being that honing specific talents is what so called "talented" people are good at.

Recently I saw an interview were he described talent as the will to practice to get better at something.

How long is 2 coma 73 years and 5 coma 48 years

In my opinion raw talent can only get you so far in life. The mentality and willpower to improve is sooo much more important.

I listened to Matusow on the Mouth once where he said that talent doesnt matter if you go on tilt easily but you can be C level talent and be successfull if you have the right mentality and doesnt tilt easily.

bery bery long

He's European. That's 2.73 and 5.48 to us.

I lol'ed at your ignorance

the 10,000 hour rule works differently for computer-based tasks, especially things like poker. when you can multi-table. There is a different between someone playing a single table, 5 hours a day for 2 years, and someone playing 6 tables, 5 hours a day for the same 2 years. As most online pros are multi-tabling bots now, I believe many of them do indeed achieve the 10,000 hour rule in less than 2 years. However, I believe there is also a difference between a multi-tabling bot (and you know who you are), as opposed to a 4-tabling or 6-tabling $1/$2 or $2/$4 player. I believe a greater percentage of those in the latter category can achieve 'expert' status, but most of the members of the first group will end up NOT being 'successful' as defined by 'Outliers' book.

Ivey, Durrrr, Jman, Antonious, Dangs etc. are certainly in the latter category.

I had to read it like 3 times before I understood it. I don't think I've ever seen numbers smaller than 1000 written in that style before.

To me, this is obvious:
1.000.000,00

this is not:

25,75

this rule is to broad for online poker, which is not measured in time but hands played. e.g. does a guy who has spent 10,000 hours 1 tabling live poker have an edge over an online pro who has clocked 5,000 hours of 8x tables

I am European, I have never seen comma's used in that way for numbers before.

In my opinion its not logical to say that if you 8 table you clock 7 hours more than someone that 1 table. The guy that 8 tabling will never have the same learning curve and depth to his thinking process compared to the guy that 1 tables. Yes you see more hands but that doesnt mean that you learn 8 times more.

25.75 is kinda obvious, but 23.45 isn't. Because it's weird to say "a quarter till midnight" in the middle of a sentence.

You still haven't figured out why they use 4 cards instead of 2 in some games, I'm sure.

Anyhow, if you put in 10.000 (see what I did there?) hours of online poker, I guess you can crush souls, no matter if you 1-tabled it or 20 tabled it. And I think poker is a very nice example of 'talent is overrated'.

I'm not totally discounting the 10k Hour rule, but when it comes to this game, I think people are under the wrong impression as it relates to experience and knowledge.

You can know all you need to know, and have seen MANY, many hands...but if you don't have:
Patience
Discipline
Emotional Control
Focus
Fearlessness

...none of it will matter. The sad truth is that 99.8% of people don't have all 5 of those things 100% of the time when playing poker. Obviously the 99.8 is speculation, but I base it on ALL online AND live players combined which is a pretty large number.

Yeah, given how precise people are and how clean and well they write 1.000,00 isn't confusing at all. It's ******ed dude. Why is there's a **** dot in the middle of the numbers. Why is it there? And what purpose does it serve that a no-dot doesn't? How about, since it's because people won't have to count on the fingers, 1000(k)000(m)? Makes more sense at least.

25.75 is understandable. 25,75 is understandable. Mixing them up 2,57.5 is not good.


Edit: Make the world easy to understand. Let's try to AVOID situations where confusion can arise. Abandon inches and feet, drive on the right side of the road and speak english. Is that so hard?

And stay on topic ITT! Is that so dam hard?

Ive never seen commas used like that either.....but surely the time it takes to write a question to what it means you can work it out?

You're a grown up, you dont need to ask teacher each time you're faced with a problem...try work it out yourself, then if you can't then ask.

he was just messing about. i thought it was quite funny how he typed it out

It's basically only used in every other language than english.

(don't know about the asian ones though)

ofcourse OP wasn't very consistent as he would have had to write 10k as either 10.000 or preferably 10 000

I think this is a fairly true concept. I think even just a little effort to improve your game along the way will do really well for you in the span of 10,000 hours. I know a guy who has played for many many years, pretty tough no limit grinder. He has easily played that many hours live since 2000. I think that he hasn't made any effort to improve his game, but he's still one of the harder players to beat. Just goes to show that experience with worth something.

hehe i once sat through a test for a derivatives trading company where all calculations were with numbers with commas and the division sign was not "/" but the "÷" instead.

0 americans got through...