I'm all for it, actually. 5 years ago I easily made $500k+ a year (one year over a million) working alone. These days with damn near legal status and EVERYONE doing it, I have to do it much bigger, better and more efficiently just to try to clear half that. When I got into the weed game less than a decade ago, decent quality indoor weed would wholesale for North of $6k/lb, easily 4k for mediocre and 3k for soso outdoor. It's priced less than half that now, but the overhead costs are higher due to inflation. Margins are paper thin in comparison to what it once was

I'm pretty decent at being a criminal, know how to stay out of jail, and don't mind going to jail if I'm caught slipping, in exchange for higher prices.

Unfortunately, I do not have the leadership and other public and social skills to be able to succeed in moving up the food chain running a legitimate business once legalization hits. I also have a very difficult time with trust in general, maybe a result of years of hustling and dealing with scumbags, maybe I've always kinda been untrusting. Which is why I feel like my back is against the wall, as Ive gambled away millions of dollars when the getting was good.

No matter how fed up I am with my current work, and looking for greener pastures again, poker is no longer an option for me at this time, sinceI don't have the proven skills/results/experience/confidence to beat the high stakes games, which I would have an adequate bankroll for right now. And grinding small stakes would be counter productive.

There's evidence contrary to your claim since you're bragging about it here and who knows elsewhere.

FWIW you were spot on 2 years ago. Villain got a little biased and extremely LAG. Thought a serious pro since '02 would have learned to think more objectively :/

-Native speaker

Yes.

I'm here to make myself famous and pump up stock on a handle I rarely use.

These days when daydreaming about greener pastures (aka alternative income options), I try to visualize the daily grind, and what effect it will have, or what toll it will take, on my life and what types of memories and experiences I will have left when I'm old & wrinkling, with a mind no longer sharp enough to handle whatever profession I chose.

Grinding small stakes poker, for instance. What types of memories will Joey Knish have left in his last years? Stacking stupid fish when they flopped top-top and couldn't fold, or the time you hit a bad beat jackpot when you lost with quad 9s, as highlights?

I know you have to start somewhere, and some people start out at lower stakes move up to succeed in the high stakes, and live a possibly fulfilling life.

I'm not saying that a fulfilling life can't be had with grinding small stakes poker as a main source of income, but it sure does make things more difficult IMO. From what I've witnessed, it's true that "if you're too careful, your whole life can become a ****ing grind"...

I don't know anything about the validity of your claims, but it seems odd that a dude who made high-six figs and over a million one year in a sole-proprietorship weed farm wouldn't know how to keep the cheddar rolling in during legalization. How did you move 250lbs of weed yearly without knowing anything about general business operations?

Jesus, you sound 15-years-old with all this Rounders bull****. The movie sucked when it came out, and it sucks now. Not representative at all; stop using movie quotes.

Moving 250# in a month (yes, month, not year) is easy, once you've established yourself and outlets (growing/processing is a different story). I'd bet if I put my mind to it, I could get it done in 10 days. Maybe less.

I know plenty about"business operations", I consider myself a consummate professional in this industry and know the ins and outs better than most. However as I've mentioned, I don't have the leadership or social skills to have the confidence to make a legal business happen, relying on others isn't something I'm used to or good at. I also have issues with trusting people, so that's another huge obstacle meaning I have to do everything myself or it doesn't get done. When there are little to no rules / regulations, I'm very comfortable operating alone underground. If I have to comply with laws and regulations and "the real world" in general, I don't fare so well.

Is this a "pics or it didn't happen" type deal? I have plenty.

Give me a better example where most on this board can instantly recognize and relate with.

I absolutely loved that movie and still think it was the best poker movie of all time. A few scenes could have been better but who's perfect?

Again, how can a dude move 250 pounds a month without social and leadership skills?

Also, how are you bagging only $500K/yr moving 3000 pounds a year? That's what, less than $200 per pound?

What example would you like for people to relate with because that line is terrible.

Well, LDO, you loved that movie. Was that even in question? I'm sure bumpnrun loves it, too.

You're putting words in my mouth and grasping at straws to try to invalidate me.

I said I *can* move 250# in a month, not that I move 250# every month. The past 3+ years I grew plenty over 250#/year. I also broker and sell weed that wasn't necessarily grown by me. I also produce hash/concentrates, if you're familiar with that market.

I'm just here to chat and have a conversation, not here to brag and impress you. No one knows who PANRIPPER is outside 2p2.

Should I post a pic of a 200#+ pile of untrimmed buds I'm in the middle of processing right now, will that make you happy?

Uh, what exactly did I say to make you think I doubt you? I don't know **** about the weed industry, which is why each item was followed with a question mark.

I do believe anyone who can clear a million all by himself has the business acumen to do it in the legit market, and I don't care what the business is.

LOL

Too reminiscent of the thread I posted 6 years ago, which was basically a polar opposite of this thread.

Thread is definitely more interesting with Panripper's stories.

This is really good advice, especially wrt having a br that can sustain a year's expenses + a bad downswing.

Thanks; it was fun to recall, share, and re-live those memories.

Yawn. Escrow $1000 I can show decent winning record over good sample?

How about most poker pros are lowlifes and poker as a career is pathetic because both those statements are true and the individual pointing that outs poker ability is basically irrelevant. Too much for u to grasp?

Here's the rub though lakes. People with odious personalities {particularly towards there own customers} are not tolerated in many other professions

Anyone that says this, and has "lol imo" as their location should keep their thoughts on peoples bad personality to themselves.

Not only that, but to still have the ability to pay yourself with ease for your time at the tables. If you pay yourself the same "wage" regardless of results, then you're never living day-to-day, both financially and emotionally based on your daily results. You know what to expect (in terms of take home pay) every day, despite the results at the tables.

People who live by the daily rollercoaster are the ones who are not stable, but this is not unique to poker and can happen in any vocation where short-term results can be volatile. Most people are better off with the security of a job that pays for every hour they work if they are unable to provide this simple security for themselves in a vocation that has large short-term fluctuations.

I don't know of a single, true professional player who berates his customers. Stop comparing the down-and-out 1/2 "pros" you interact with who probably mooch off their gf, family or w/e with dudes who actually play for a living.

FYP

*sigh*

Sounds fair enough. Where can I send the $1k? Normally I am hesitant about sending random angry people on the internet money but you do seem like a real straight shooter.

Yes I'm assuming Bump must have travelled extensively because if he's talking about playing 1/2 and 1/3 or 2/3 in New Zealand, he ain't talking about playing with pros.