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03-25-2011 , 08:03 PM
I guess it all depends on your personallity if you want a normal job or if you can enjoy your current life as a pro.

People are always glamorizing the other alternative.

Keep in mind that a lot of qualified office jobs that seems interesting in the beginning are really boring and repetetive after a while. They break down your creative spirit. The concept with a fixed place to be at every weekday at certain hours and do similar tasks is really frustrating for some people, and really rewarding for others.

It's easy to believe that a normal job is gonna be fun, and that your colleagues will be great people that'll be your friends, and that your boss will treat you fair and give you a nice bonus at the end of the year. It might happen, and it might not.
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03-25-2011 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
I guess some people have no clue what it means to work fulltime at something. One guy said he wants to turn poker into a hobby again after working at it a whole 1100 hours total over two years. Guess what--that already IS a hobby. 50 weeks (if you're lucky enough to get 2 weeks vacation) times 40 hours is 2000 hours a year for a fulltime job. So 1100 hours over 2 years is barely a part time job. Another poster claimed to make unlimited money in 4 hours a week, but was burned out because he had to "think about poker" during the rest of the week. Get real.

For those who say there is more to life than money, that is certainly true in many respects. But in real life, the only people who say that are those whose income level already exceeds the expenses of their basic needs. If you are like the vast majority of working people that struggle to simply pay for rent and to clothe and feed the kids, then money is very important. When you don't have enough money to meet basic expenses, the struggle for money and the stress generated by the potential consequences dominates your life. Sure, Tiger Woods doesn't play the game for money, he wants titles; but the single mom working at Walmart during the day and waiting tables at night so she can feed her kids does it for the money, not the self satisfaction.

I think some people posting here should go read some business books about executive life. The struggle for balance in life sure didn't start with the poker boom. Any successful executive or business owner puts in more like 50-70 hours a week into their profession or business, not 9-5. See how much life balance you get when you leave for work at 6am, get home at 9pm and work weekends to get ready for the upcoming week. See how much time you have to exercise, eat right, and go watch the kids play little league. It's amazing to me that some think that those balance issues are somehow tied to poker, when playing poker for a living allows way more flexibility than most jobs or careers.

Now, if you are one of those people who can't get your ass out the door to do social things, or don't have any other interests, then guess what? Getting a "real job" won't change that. That's a personal characteristic that is independent of the fact that you play poker. You may have some fantasy vision of going to an office and then going out after work with the pals. But in real life, most people work late, then face a soul crushing commute to get home and try and squeeze in a few moments with the family. They won't be available to go out socializing with you. Working 40 hours or more a week is a bit tougher than having 15 hours of class a week at college.

Almost all white collar jobs today revolve around staring at a screen all day long. Just look at the Dilbert cartoons about life in a office cubical. It's true that some people find their passion and pursuit it. But for every one of those, there is probably a hundred who found a job and took it to make a living. But the point is you have a job to make a living, not a LIFE. What kind of life you live is up to you.

For those of you who think that the working world is some magical escape from boredom, repetitiveness and the mundane, sorry to pop that bubble. I got a kick out of the poster who said that having 2 ****ty jobs in one year qualified him to speak to what a grind it is. Right. He wasn't even at either job long enough to really feel what a grind is.

Sorry, didn't mean to rant. But I just feel that some of these posters, particularly those who are young and started with poker and haven't been in the "real world" so to speak, don't appreciate how hard it is to make good money, how much work is involved, and how many personal sacrifices people make to get ahead "out there". Whether anyone decides to play poker for a living for a year, a decade or a lifetime is up to them. But don't be fooled by the grass is greener in the real working world illusion. It's just like all pro athletes want to be rock stars, and all rock stars want to be athletes. It's always greener on the other side.
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03-25-2011 , 08:15 PM
some of u guys here need to get a life. Playing poker for living isn't much different than getting a job and getting paid for minimum wage. The only difference is the $$$
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03-25-2011 , 08:19 PM
browser2920 with a excellent post itt(see Quote above). Agree with everything.

Balance has to be created by oneself, it's not something that magically appears with the right job/income source. It sure is easy to blame "poker" but its not poker that makes u play 24/7, that's a personal choice.
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03-25-2011 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Stake Monster
This thread made me make a blog post about playing poker for a living. tl;dr incoming:


This might be pretty rambly, but here goes some random thoughts about poker.

I started to play full-time, officially, 17 months ago. Before that I played for 2-3 years, going from hobby to taking more and more time in my day. I can safely say playing for a living has been the toughest and most challenging thing I’ve done… but, also, the most enriching one.

A lot of people have amibitions to eventually play for a living and get free of their 9-5 job and basically do what they want to do, whenever they want to. That’s probably the easiest part of it all and I think that is where a lot of people eventually fail on. Going into it, very few people understand the emotional and physical toll it can take on them over a long period of time. At first it’s all fun and games and to me that was definitely the easiest period. I was just waking up to play some games and make some easy money, and for the most part it was. Then it becomes more of a job, something that is a part of your daily life and really nothing too exciting. The emotional rollercoasters it brings you on will do one of two things: destroy you or make you much stronger.

Over time, I’ve discovered a lot about myself because of poker. First, there’s definitely been an evolution in the way I view money. Quick disclaimer: money is nice but it’s probably the last thing you need to be happy. When I was “busto” all I could think about is eventually having loads of money, making 10k in a month, having 100k to my name, buying a nice car, etc.. I got all of those before I figured out that having a lot of money (relatively to before) doesn’t change much and can actually be a crutch you use to either fill in gaps or holes in your life by buying new toys or a crutch to escape the fact that your life isn’t exactly how you want it to be (not the case here but just an example).

Secondly, playing poker for a living is very very tough emotionally. It has been the biggest challenge I have ever taken. It will stretch you out in ways you never experienced before. There’s a constant battle between your emotions, your brain and the game itself. There’s a lot of thoughts about money, losing (mostly) and a very brief moment spent on times where you win. Eventually, there’s a good possibility your daily/monthly results end up defining how you feel and how much you value things around you and how good you feel about yourself. There’s variance, emotional stressors, bad days, good days, breaking even, periods where you can’t imagine winning again, doubting yourself, doubting your career choice, etc, etc.. There’s a lot of terrible things associated with playing for living. It’s not for everyone and the way you handle it will greatly affect the outcome of your career choice. It will make you or break you at the core.

Thirdly, trying to balance the robotic emotionless mindset you need to have to play poker with actually being a healthy and happy human being is also very difficult. After 10 yrs of doing graphic design and 4 yrs of playing poker, I was really out of shape. My back was starting to be messed up from bad posture and the gym already claimed my right arm in the first session i had (sprained rotator cuff). It’s hard to focus on yourself when your main goal is pay bills, make money and improve so you can make more money. This narrow mindset is easy to have when all you think about it on a daily basis has something related to a dollar sign. It’s hard to eat well and not skip lunches sometimes when you have some good games going. It’s hard to eat well when you’re so pissed off or stressed out your stomach hurts. It’s hard to want to go out with your gf when you feel so annoyed at the day you just had. None of these are easy to deal with if you weren’t prepared for it before.

Fourth, and I think this is where most people fail hard. Playing poker for a living means WORKING HARD. If you think you can just play poker and wing it, forget it. If you don’t work on your game constantly and with gusto, your opponents are. There’s no easy money in the game anymore and whoever works the hardest will win all the gold in the end. Most poker players seem to have this mindset that because they’ve won before they’ll win again and consistently. No such thing. There’s not even a special skill associated with playing poker well, to me it’s 80% hard work, 19% emotional balance and 1% having a brain to work with.

I could probably list more challenges associated with poker and especially playing for a living. To a random observer it would seem that it would be a very poor choice of career for most people. And that person would be right. It’s a terrible choice for a lot of people, yet a lot of people take the plunge and I would bet that most of them are not ready for what it entails. It’s a pretty alluring job, to play cards and make a bunch of money, but for most people it won’t be the case.

So all that being said, am I happy I chose to do what I do? Absolutely. Why? Because it made me a much better person to myself and others.

Having money made me realize it’s not that important and decided to focus more on my relationships and also sharing with others whenever I can.

The emotional downhills of poker made me work on my spirituality and emotions more. It took me about a year before I realized that the way I was feeling in my mind and how I approached life in general was not only going to be beneficial to my poker game but also everything in life now, and in the future. I owe that to poker because without the tilting sessions, the long breakeven periods, the sheer frustration towards poker and how powerless I was trying to control it, the constant thinking about money and stress associated with the game, well, then I would have never seeked to better myself in those areas. I would have never been challenged to.

Poker also brought a much better balance to my lifestyle, once again realizing money isn’t everything in life and that my health, relationships with others and my overall emotional happiness are a lot more important. Without the game and the challenges it brings, I would have never been strong enough to deal with negative events the way I do now in a positive way. I probably wouldn’t appreciate what I have as much as I do now and I would likely always fight against things I cannot control instead of accepting them and turning them into constructive events.

Finally, the hard work I have put into poker has made me proud of having achieved the ability to make a living off of it. It has allowed me to pay for a nice wedding for me and Elaine and hopefully buy a house because of it. It felt easy at first because I hadn’t been challenged yet, but over time I realized that I had never worked so hard at something for so long. Even when I did design work I barely worked on new techniques because I relied entirely on my talent. With poker, there’s no free meals and if you don’t work harder than your opponents, you will lose. In a way, the game showed me that hard work does pay off and that is something I can apply to all aspects of life.

So, in closing to this long post most people won’t read, a little tl;dr: Poker is really hard and will pose a lot of challenges to anyone who chooses to do it. Not many people can do it but it’s important to be aware that it can be a very positive thing to you and your life, as long as you don’t expect it to be easy and that you can approach seemingly negative things in a constructive fashion and turn it into a positive. For some it will be a very frustrating experience, but that is a choice and not a given. In the end, the effort someone puts into it, emotionally and physically, will heavily determine the outcome of choosing poker as a career.
amazing post. so so so true.
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03-25-2011 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BobBlank
No, it isnt. Alot of jobs are very rewarding actually. Poker isnt.

Heck, even serving in mcdonalds could be rewarding. If you do well and serve people well you can make them happy. There is scope for promotion also. And thats the bottom of the barrell too....most other jobs are far more rewarding to the average person.

Also poker is the most repetitive job imaginable. Just sitting and playing the same game for 5 years is crazy. How can that be anyones plan. As already stated, its hard to stay interested in poker after a while unless you are basically a degen (even if you dont admit it). In the end the game will bore you and you will be left with the gamble, the buzz, the feeling when you bink that big hand, the dream of playing durr one day. You will be playing for that feeling at the end of a hard day when you have logged 10k hands and are up $5k.

Poker is really a negative long term impact for the huge majority of people who do it profesionally.

Hahaha, wat. The bottom end mass-retail jobs offer nothing more than a mark on a resume. If you think these jobs are appealing for their endgame...wow.

Yeah, the really good fun jobs are quite nice and rewarding, because the person going for the job has a goal in mind, a solid well thought out career goal. Also these jobs require brains, a lot of schooling etc.

Ever met someone who works at fast food or wal-mart or something? I, like most people, have delt with them and they are the stupidest bunch of drooltards ive had the misfortune of having to collect western union cashouts from. The counter girl counted my $20's x4 = $100 at $500 I was like lolreally and stopped her to tell her to recount with 5x 20's per $100.

F terrible jobs and terrible unintelligent people, poker is real. If I had to pay taxes or work retail id kill myself, no lies. I love poker and I love money.

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03-25-2011 , 08:40 PM
OP you need to man up. Go get drunk, get laid and enjoy your hard earned cash! Only play poker when you feel like it, you have enough money you don't need to grind 10 hours a day. Go take a holiday somewhere chill out, enjoy life, go out, get friends, bone women, travel. Enjoy yourself and play when you feel like it.
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03-25-2011 , 09:08 PM
browser2920 and Stake Monster with incredible posts.
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03-25-2011 , 09:48 PM
still no graph or screen name... free money player.
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03-25-2011 , 09:48 PM
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Hehe ok . I dont really see why its thats hard to believe but OK.

Whether you believe me or not is irrelevent to the point of this thread though.
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Why would I lie? I have left this poker world behind. I gain nothing from saying I made more than I have.
actually it makes a huge deal. If you post a graph to prove that you made 500k in however long you said a lot more people would believe you and might actually listen to what you have to say but if you don't then you're clearly just a losing player who sucks and just found out after 2 years that you suck
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03-25-2011 , 10:03 PM
You guys know this is one massive level, right?
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03-25-2011 , 10:28 PM
Stake monster thumbs up, awesome post!!
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03-25-2011 , 10:39 PM
He claimed he quit poker a year ago - April 29th, 2010.

Perhaps losing 80bi at nl100 was the reason

So the story goes:
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03-25-2011 , 10:44 PM
^ sherlock holmes itt
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03-25-2011 , 10:47 PM
Haven't read thread yet but someone else sum'd up this topic well in another similar thread. If you're having problems playing poker for a living then you're either doing the poker part or the living part wrong.

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03-25-2011 , 10:51 PM
Whether it is a level or not it contains a few of the best posts I have read in a while. I am a long time lurker and decided it was time to break my cherry and partake in the discussions.

I am such a rookie I didn't download the spell checker plug-in until after I had typed out a very nice addition to this thread only to lose it during said plug in install LOL!!!

I am a VP level executive in the casino industry; Hopefully I will be able to contribute to the forum

OP - As many people have said already the answers you seek are not contained in whatever profession you choose. Life is hard and most certainly never fair and always what you make of it. Dude I can guarantee you life will be alot harder making 40k a year vs. 200k

The term money doesn't matter only works under the right conditions. For me I am very fortunate to love what I am doing and the people I work for and with. I am also well compensated. Over the past couple of years I have been offered positions for more money but have turned them down because the money didn't matter compared to the criteria above. Some day I will be made an offer I won't be able to turn down and the money will matter. Money never makes people happy but money certainly makes happy people happier.
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03-25-2011 , 11:10 PM
The only thing I find harder about poker then my previous career is... that I don't get satisfaction from helping others in poker. Sure the benefits of poker help me and my family far more than my previous career. But I am talking about the job itself...there is no smiling faces or happy customers to cheer you up if your having a bad day on the job.


But everyone is different...poker is bad job for some; great job for others. All about the person. gl with new career....but you should definitely change title to "quitting poker for a living will be the best decision I ever made"....shows confidence though by already stating it as the best.
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03-25-2011 , 11:36 PM
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Poker for a living is so depressing I am so glad I have completely quit.

There are more important things than money, and I can tell you that poker gives you no job satisfaction and basically turned me into a lazy, selfish, lonely person.

I feel almost cured now. I still struggle sometimes to get up and get out, but on the whole I am making progress towards being a happy person again.

O, and before people say I am just a busto donk I quit after making $500k in 2.5 years playing cash games for a living. Some things are more important than money though

Anyone else quit recently, or considered quitting recently?

I respect the way you look at things. I'm a 20year old that is getting ready to move down to Vegas with my 40k i made off the game and try to make a living out of it. Its funny a lot of people successful poker plays say poker is not the way to go and your probably right. I'm just young and want to see for myself. Hopefully i can get somewhere around what you did 500k and get into real estate or start my own restruant or something up that ally.

I respect the way you look at things. I'm a 20year old that is getting ready to move down to Vegas with my 40k i made off the game and try to make a living out of it. Its funny a lot of people successful poker plays say poker is not the way to go and your probably right. I'm just young and want to see for myself. Hopefully i can get somewhere around what you did 500k and get into real estate or start my own restruant or something up that ally.

If anyone wants tips on how to quit (its not easy) and move on with life then give me a PM and I can respond.
I respect the way you look at things. I'm a 20year old that is getting ready to move down to Vegas with my 40k i made off the game and try to make a living out of it. Its funny a lot of people successful poker plays say poker is not the way to go and your probably right. I'm just young and want to see for myself. Hopefully i can get somewhere around what you did 500k and get into real estate or start my own restruant or something up that ally.
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03-25-2011 , 11:58 PM
you'll be back eventually
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03-26-2011 , 12:10 AM
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He claimed he quit poker a year ago - April 29th, 2010.

Perhaps losing 80bi at nl100 was the reason

So the story goes:
lmao

op owned
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03-26-2011 , 12:11 AM
i salute anyone that quits poker
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03-26-2011 , 12:12 AM
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im quitting my job to go pro because my job is depressing and i get no satisfaction from it, plus right now my life revolves around someone elsees schedule... you really think job happiness comes from working for the man? ... unless you have some sweet gig lined up or a trader position or something good luck..
+ 1 mirrion I.E jerry yang

Couldnt have said it better myslf.F&%^k thats why i started playing poker in the first place.My freaking job sucked.Everytime i turned around my bosses foot was either on my neck or on my %$#.And lets not even get started about living hand to mouth for a living.
So if and i do mean "IF" he was able to do what you did i.e the 500k ect i say good for him. No hate here.
But quite honestly his whole diatribe if again he actualy accomplished what he claims is nothing more than i thinly veiled brag or a 12 year old on his dads computer attempting a weak level.
Because quite honestly if i was sitting on 500 dimes and i had just quit poker THE LAST PLACE ON PLANET EARTH YOU WOULD FIND ME IS ON 2+2.
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03-26-2011 , 12:16 AM
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im in same boat

poker has become a grind
im lazy
i seriously dont eat my first meal til 5pm, then i snack til midnight
i feel like i cant stop running terrible
my wife hates it
im starting to hate it
been pro since 2005 and im thinkin about something else
actually lazyness and the rest are side effects. im playing poker for living from about 1 year and i have same problems, excepting the fact that my gf doesnt hate it
this post helped me to understand that not poker is the main problem, but the fact that it creates a good enviroment for lazyness.
a shocking fact for me was that after my best month i ever had, one that was only grinding and sleeping, im feeling quite useless and i realize that i have transformed the game that i love into hard labour.
im rlly happy when im playing poker but i see now that i have to do other things, like working on my poetry projects and other stuff, just in order to keep playing poker smiling.
grinding, somehow, isolates u from society and i think that if i will compensate this with some social activities the feeling of being useless will disapear.

ty for post and ty for this topic
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03-26-2011 , 01:55 AM
from the FOS OP came some excellent posts by actual grinders. obviously OP didn't make 500k as he's just spewing cliches about the poker life and offered nothing in the way of reflections and thoughts like stake monster who's actually experienced it.
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03-26-2011 , 03:47 AM
I've made some good money from poker as well and also feel that I need to quit and take some time off to be happy. I don't post here much, but your post reminded me of Timex's quitting blog which struck a chord with me as well. I know it is very possible for people to be happy with poker as a career but I feel there are just some personality types who will not be satisfied making money this way. I know I am not satisfied being a great poker player, I feel I need to give back to the world and interact with it more.

I have been luckier with poker then I could have dreamed of, but I am not happier then when I was poor and in college surrounded by people I cared about. We isolate ourselves behind computer screens, we lose relatability with the outside world. I became a shallower and less interesting person after having incredible success in poker. I am incredibly satisfied with the security and freedom poker has contributed to my life. I too look forward to quitting and being a happier person for it. Thanks for posting man there's a lot of us out there who don't post much who relate to posts like this.

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