From dmoongirl Facebook:

As some of you may be aware, us poker players like to bet on everything & anything. This is one of the crazier ones I’ve heard of in a while. Figured I’d share for those interested in this crazy world..

A guy I play with has bet another player 100k he can stay in a DARK bathroom, with no human interaction for 30 days. I’m not 100% on the specifics of the bet, but from what I understand:

*Door will remain unlocked and he can choose to leave (& lose the bet) at anytime.
*There will be literally no light & therefore no real way to gauge day/night/time left in the bet.
*He has a refrigerator (w/no light) & will have ample food/water. Fresh food will be delivered sporadically but it’s somehow being done without him having any human interaction?
*He has toiletries, towels, some sort of a bed/pillow, a paddleball & Rubik’s cube?
*No alcohol/sleep aids/drugs are allowed.
*He will be given whatever vitamins are needed.
*There is some sort of livestream/camera set-up to ensure no cheating.
*If he stays in the room the full 30 days, he wins 100k. If he gives up, it costs him 100k.

Personally, I think he’s an underdog to succeed. I wouldn’t do this bet for any amount of money as I think there’s danger of lasting psychological damage for anyone not very experienced with meditation & isolation.

He started a few days ago. I’ll update if I hear anything exciting. What do you guys think? Easy money or drawing dead?

drawing dead i think

Reminds me of https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ropbet-102004/

Is this actually taking place? Is there appropriate medical supervision?

Shouldn't he get at least better odds?

If the door is unlocked and he can leave, then he's a dog to make it.

easy money af

I think this specific prop bet idea is the sh**s.

For sure linking this (maybe high risk?, perhaps dangerous?) prop bet with poker is an incorrect line? The chances of anything "good" coming of it for the "poker world" are pretty much zero?

Co-mingling concepts like "dedication" and "personal sacrifice" with gambling -- and the unknown consequences that an individual can suffer as a result -- sucks in general.

What could the poker world possibly hope to gain with such a bet? The risks are way too high. Stay away IMO... but I'm just biased from what's gone down before with some of these.

https://www.uspoker.com/blog/staples...-ethics/22438/

would be easy

This is not comparable. If you are fat losing weight is likely beneficial for you even if you don't eat anything until you get there. It's pretty safe unless you have preexisting conditions already. Even if you do that with (reasonable) help of drugs you are still better off at the end of the bet as being fat is bigger health risk than few months of cocaine or amphetamines not to mention other life quality benefits. The only problem is that one of them had to fatten up to win it, other than that it's healthy motivating competition, they could have arranged it for the fat one to lose more weight though.

In OP though you are wasting 30 days of your life to be guaranteed worse off health wise at the end of it not to mention some risk of lasting damage. It's basically "cut your finger off and I will give you 100k" kind of deal. I think the chances of him making it though are reasonable. I wouldn't bet on him 1-1 but freaks who agree to those deals often have amazing amount of will power and sheer persistence.

Somehow I think you're making a case for why there should be concern?

Personally, these types of prop bets and their ties to poker have worried me since 2007.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...-tonight-8033/

I'm no expert on alcohol or health, but I don't believe I have to be to point out what's obvious?

EDIT: This is what's already in effect in the UK for "gambling" marketing. It may not specifically apply to other jurisdictions, but influencer marketing is a big topic these days -- specifically in the gambling industry. And existing laws/guidelines often have influence on incoming regulations.

https://www.asa.org.uk/type/non_broa...ection/16.html

16.1 Marketing communications for gambling must be socially responsible, with particular regard to the need to protect children, young persons and other vulnerable persons from being harmed or exploited.

16.3.1 portray, condone or encourage gambling behaviour that is socially irresponsible or could lead to financial, social or emotional harm.

16.3.4 suggest that gambling can be a solution to financial concerns, an alternative to employment or a way to achieve financial security.

16.3.9 portray gambling in a context of toughness or link it to resilience or recklessness.

These rules apply to gambling operators and their affiliates/collaborators. I'm unsure if the prop bet would be promoted/shared by a poker site, but even if it isn't, this prop bet seems irresponsible?

The BBC science show 'Horizon' recently featured a guy spending 10 days in solitary confinement in a disused nuclear bunker with the lights switched off, to show the effects on his body clock. He spent most of his time doing physical exercise, but he literally didn't know what day it was after a couple of days. It did not look like fun.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06nkk06

There was already a big thread about this. Wish I remembered any of it.

No chains involved?

Lol at the odds, if he accepted this he's an idiot
I'd ask for like 20:1

A version of this has been discussed in the past:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...redux-1529427/

My post then:

With an unlocked door there has to be a decent chance he just walks out of the room without even being aware of what he is doing.

Yeah, sleep-walking, panic attack even just a habit kicking in when he wakes up in darkness. I think the biggest chance to make it is if he can hear signs of life outside like conversations, tv, people walking. It's better than solitary confinement which is why I think there is a chance of him making it but it's going to be very tough.

I think if you somehow agreed to this and come to senses the best course of action is to come out of the bathroom and go to court. The contract will likely be invalid. You will lose a friend but maybe that's a friend not worth keeping if they didn't keep you out of this lunacy. If there is an escrow I think they should consult a lawyer before paying out either side.

Someplace between this and huge dog. 1/1 is atrocious

Those.

Sounds like insane thing to do. Good luck..

Soon to become the best paddleboarder the planet has ever seen

Pretty sick to even offer this bet. The staples bet was 60% ok imo as Jaime obviously could use to lose the weight whereas his brother could legitimately be healthier +20 pounds... the 50+ pounds wasn't healthy but probably not life threatening as he could shed some of it back off.

This bet is just sick and has no gain for anyone. I hope the community of poker players sees this as nothing but base attention whoring.

I'm thinking he loses his mind at 15 days or so. Symptoms of mental illness will pop up in under a week. I hope he meditates or time is gonna go by like he's been in there a year, it'll probably be the only way he can stop from going temporarily insane or delusional too.


I agree with the odds being really bad for the guy.

Who the **** is so confident they can live in dark solitary confinement that they take 1:1 on this? I'd love to be paid 100k to watch someone slowly lose their sanity.