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Projectbaby is cheating in every hand on Global; support doing nothing Projectbaby is cheating in every hand on Global; support doing nothing

10-16-2023 , 01:33 PM
The player projectbaby is cheating on almost every hand at high stakes on Global Poker using GtoWiz. Many of his opponents have sent long lists of matches using FairPlay to global support and haven’t heard a thing. Additionally, anyone who has asked them why they aren’t doing anything in the global support discord group has been banned. We don’t know what else to do besides make this public. This has been going on since FairPlay was introduced.

He has a history of threatening players at the table, saying dumb **** like threatening to “bring his Glock” etc. He was a losing rec before he started using GTOwizard every hand.

He plays numerous sessions every day and as of earlier today was still playing hands while cheating at 1000nl and 2000nl.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 10-24-2023 at 05:00 AM.
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10-17-2023 , 07:39 AM
Well he works in finance, so he's soulless, despite his attempts to integrate into nature through trips to various resorts and retreats and such, when he gets back, he goes right back to his routine, which is completely non-cooperative and antithetical to the rhythm of nature, and we see this flow of his reflected in his out-of-work activities here as well (poker). As for Global, their logic is probably along the lines of, well anyone can observe the tables, so anyone could be running the hands through GTO Wizard, so if we ban him, we might be doing a false positive, and we'd lose out on his cash
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10-17-2023 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Elizabeth5579
well anyone can observe the tables, so anyone could be running the hands through GTO Wizard, so if we ban him, we might be doing a false positive
This is the biggest issue with FairPlay IMO. Someone could just decide they do not like you and run a ton of your hands through GTO Wizard to get you banned.

I imagine they’d get sick of it after some amount of time, which probably lessens the chance of a false positive … then again maybe not. It seems like a flawed idea (not to mention the other similar sites that don’t even have fair play).
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10-17-2023 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ten25
This is the biggest issue with FairPlay IMO. Someone could just decide they do not like you and run a ton of your hands through GTO Wizard to get you banned.

I imagine they’d get sick of it after some amount of time, which probably lessens the chance of a false positive … then again maybe not. It seems like a flawed idea (not to mention the other similar sites that don’t even have fair play).
The biggest issue for me is wondering if Global even has a security department at all. They are currently banning people on discord for even bringing this up. I check the discord almost daily and the employees went from active to not saying a word. That seems more concerning to me

edit, David Lyons the CEO is active and talking about it on discord, basically just saying they are looking into it.

Last edited by tiger24; 10-17-2023 at 10:25 AM.
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10-17-2023 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tiger24
The biggest issue for me is wondering if Global even has a security department at all. They are currently banning people on discord for even bringing this up. I check the discord almost daily and the employees went from active to not saying a word. That seems more concerning to me

edit, David Lyons the CEO is active and talking about it on discord, basically just saying they are looking into it.


This is the response from David Lyons, the GM of Global Poker, responding to a high stakes reg who has been on the site since it started. This management team is completely clueless. Scroll through the ring games channel and it is a complete clown show.

For anyone not familiar, this guy has been running every hand through GTO Wizard for weeks. Here is just a small sample, from the global poker thread:

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Originally Posted by MicroDonkYT
Since it is public in the Global discord, and Global has done nothing for the better part of a month, here's some evidence of the most blatant guy cheating using GTO wizard in cash games:









The chances of getting a false positive down to the river is EXTREMELY low, and having multiple instances of it is impossible. This guy has been reported by about a dozen mid to high stakes Global players, and he is still running free. I have identified and reported a few more just like this guy. Mainly, low IQ fish who start using GTO wizard for every single decision and don't hide it. As I said before in the thread, if you see a bad player suddenly using GTO sizes, tanking, and sitting people HU, it is worth checking in the Wizard fair play tool. If it matches, please report to Global.
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10-17-2023 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by tiger24
The biggest issue for me is wondering if Global even has a security department at all. They are currently banning people on discord for even bringing this up. I check the discord almost daily and the employees went from active to not saying a word. That seems more concerning to me

edit, David Lyons the CEO is active and talking about it on discord, basically just saying they are looking into it.
I was only talking about using FairPlay as a means of cheating detection. If a table can be observed then anyone could be running those hands … of course the larger the number of hands run … the bigger chance it’s the actual player and not an outside actor with malicious intent.

On the issue of Global ignoring the issue / banning players … obviously totally unacceptable given the current environment.
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10-17-2023 , 03:27 PM
I made a video talking about the situation:

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10-17-2023 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroDonkYT
I made a video talking about the situation:

Well done. Thanks!
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10-17-2023 , 05:15 PM
Could you get around this by just changing the suits of the boards you check?
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10-17-2023 , 05:20 PM
Who cares. Global is just virtual gold coins right? They don't even play for real money.
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10-17-2023 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ULTRAAAA
Who cares. Global is just virtual gold coins right? They don't even play for real money.
lol, no, they have Sweeps Cash, which are redeemable 1:1 for US dollars.

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Originally Posted by NickMPK
Could you get around this by just changing the suits of the boards you check?
No, the Wiz checker will still show a hit. This guy doesn't even try to change it, though.
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10-17-2023 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ten25
This is the biggest issue with FairPlay IMO. Someone could just decide they do not like you and run a ton of your hands through GTO Wizard to get you banned.

I imagine they’d get sick of it after some amount of time, which probably lessens the chance of a false positive … then again maybe not. It seems like a flawed idea (not to mention the other similar sites that don’t even have fair play).
Try doing this. It’s not possible to do in real time for multiple tables unless the individual is slow enough at every decision point to allow you time to input in wizard.
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10-17-2023 , 08:33 PM
Who’s has the screenshot of him using a hud on global, aren’t they banned?
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10-17-2023 , 09:10 PM
the thing about the gto wizard thing is that there's no conclusive proof that specific individual is doing it - it could be anyone at the table

there's also surely going to be some false positives where some dork who's actually studying happened to run it around that time

i think it'd only be truly useful if you took a more holistic approach site wide - from there you could isolate the players who are always at tables runnings sims concurrently and from that point on ban

could be a massive revenue stream for gto wizard and a huge marketing opportunity of "look we just banned 1/3 of our users" but unsure if any sites would have the courage to to boot such a massive chunk of users in order for the big picture beyond stars
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10-18-2023 , 03:48 AM
So you think they should admit they have been letting their customers be massively cheated?
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10-18-2023 , 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Polarbear1955
So you think they should admit they have been letting their customers be massively cheated?
Who said that? It's standard to not discuss an ongoing investigation. It isn't standard to allow someone blatantly using RTA to continue to do so for weeks at a time and never freeze the account.
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10-18-2023 , 09:14 AM



Another gem from the GM of Global Poker, David Lyons. This guy is completely incompetent.
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10-18-2023 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
the thing about the gto wizard thing is that there's no conclusive proof that specific individual is doing it - it could be anyone at the table

there's also surely going to be some false positives where some dork who's actually studying happened to run it around that time

i think it'd only be truly useful if you took a more holistic approach site wide - from there you could isolate the players who are always at tables runnings sims concurrently and from that point on ban

could be a massive revenue stream for gto wizard and a huge marketing opportunity of "look we just banned 1/3 of our users" but unsure if any sites would have the courage to to boot such a massive chunk of users in order for the big picture beyond stars
Time banking is the only way to do it. You can't play 6+ tables and run gto wizard without doing that. In the Bovada thread we suspected this earlier in the year when players started time banking like crazy. Then there were the 30/10ish colluders that are all of the sudden winning tons of money. Online cash games are in a very rough spot right now. I've been playing cash for almost 20 years and I haven't played a cash game hand online in two months. The cheating has taken over the games.
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10-18-2023 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroDonkYT
Who said that? It's standard to not discuss an ongoing investigation. It isn't standard to allow someone blatantly using RTA to continue to do so for weeks at a time and never freeze the account.
That's what is crazy. He is still playing every table at 2/5+
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10-18-2023 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by AceJacko
Try doing this. It’s not possible to do in real time for multiple tables unless the individual is slow enough at every decision point to allow you time to input in wizard.
If it’s not possible to look up most spots as an observer … how would it be possible as a player?

I do agree it’s not really possible to look up the spots fast enough if you’re doing it manually and doing any serious multi tabling … but an observer should be able to look up more since they’re only watching.

So is the suggestion that there is a 3rd party tool involved looking up the spots in some kind of automated fashion and displaying in real time?

If so, then the problem is arguably the same since software could be tweaked to work as a player or observer.

Last edited by ten25; 10-18-2023 at 11:24 AM.
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10-18-2023 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ten25
If it’s not possible to look up most spots as an observer … how would it be possible as a player?

I do agree it’s not really possible to look up the spots fast enough if you’re doing it manually and doing any serious multi tabling … but an observer should be able to look up more since they’re only watching.

So is the suggestion that there is a 3rd party tool involved looking up the spots in some kind of automated fashion and displaying in real time?

If so, then the problem is arguably the same since software could be tweaked to work as a player or observer.
It’s possible as a player because that player will play slow enough at every decision point to allow for inputs into wizard. Normal players will play both faster and less consistent. The accused player in this instance is also playing absurdly slow at every decision point and only started playing this pace when his gameplay significantly improved. He is timebanking near every decision to to point where he has to reset his tables frequently to get a new time bank.
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10-18-2023 , 12:46 PM
you think the player has to input the spots himself? thats cute. remind me of what's happening in my thread. Anyone with a brain can see somethings up but the site does nothing. kinda the norm for smaller sites tbh

Last edited by MoViN.tArGeT; 10-18-2023 at 12:54 PM.
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10-18-2023 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MoViN.tArGeT
you think the player has to input the spots himself? thats cute. remind me of what's happening in my thread. Anyone with a brain can see somethings up but the site does nothing. kinda the norm for smaller sites tbh
This is the real issue. Global can't even catch the guy when they get mountains of evidence. He was using it literally every hand. Someone with a real RTA system that can scrape data will never be caught by global, because they don't have the resources or know how to detect it on the back end. Global is drawing dead.
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10-18-2023 , 05:00 PM
As a low stakes PLO player on global, my suspicion on RTA users goes back a couple of years and i have significantly decreased my play there. To be fair to global, this is going on on every site.
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10-18-2023 , 06:33 PM
Ya I wouldn't play on global or acr in 2023 I would just quit poker . even gg is becoming questionable. you need good security. Well run government regulated sites where they are mandated to do their job well are the only hope so I highly recommend you see my thread.
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