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View Poll Results: Do you think Merge Network Will be Seized?
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97 70.29%
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41 29.71%

04-09-2012 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NthingToLose
Yes.... That is the point. "OMG same thing might happen on merge as it did on FTP!11"

A lot of things might happen.
much more likely to happen now than 2-3 years ago. the clock is short
04-09-2012 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
much more likely to happen now than 2-3 years ago. the clock is short
You also think 9/11 might have been an inside job, so your opinion is basically worthless.
04-09-2012 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
get out once and a while kid. you will find BM very juicy. i have been beating live middle stakes at 17bbs for the last year and a half! that is much nicer than online. you guys forget that ppl playing in casinos are mostly casual and have not learned a single thing since moneymaker boom
[ ] believes he tracked number of hands dealt to accurately get to this number

So lets say you get 30 hands an hour. Takes 3 hours 20 mins for 100 hands. Playing lets say a $200NL game. You are making $10.20 an hour before any expenses are incurred.

If you think that is better than what you could do online ok.
04-09-2012 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Blizzuff
You also think 9/11 might have been an inside job, so your opinion is basically worthless.

you are a poker player so you should be a logical thinker, impossible for those two building and a third building to implode at free fall speed!
04-09-2012 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by NthingToLose
[ ] believes he tracked number of hands dealt to accurately get to this number

So lets say you get 30 hands an hour. Takes 3 hours 20 mins for 100 hands. Playing lets say a $200NL game. You are making $10.20 an hour before any expenses are incurred.

try BBs per hour not 100hands

If you think that is better than what you could do online ok.
and yeah tracked accurately with poker Income pro
don't be so surprised get out to a casino and you will terrible play.
04-09-2012 , 02:53 PM
these threads are always started by an account i've never seen. your first post here is about merge getting seized. do you by any chance happen to work for cake or bodog? would make a hell of a lot of sense.
04-09-2012 , 02:55 PM
The question I'd like answering is how can ANY site be operating to a US market at present?

What is the legal difference between them and FTP/Stars?
04-09-2012 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sketchy1
these threads are always started by an account i've never seen. your first post here is about merge getting seized. do you by any chance happen to work for cake or bodog? would make a hell of a lot of sense.
^^^ interesting point mr bond
04-09-2012 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by LastLife
It will be interesting to see what the DoJ does, because seizing the domain is likely not an option. For sure, they are not taking the Antigua domain. Pushing ISPs to block would probably get the government sued by the ISPs, and new domains are really cheap. Going harder on banks seems like the only option, unless we threaten sanctions(no way). An indictment isn't going to do much if everyone can still play, not to mention the indictment will be harder to get.
POTY
04-09-2012 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackStar9
The question I'd like answering is how can ANY site be operating to a US market at present?

What is the legal difference between them and FTP/Stars?
They are smaller.
04-09-2012 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by NthingToLose
[ ] believes he tracked number of hands dealt to accurately get to this number

So lets say you get 30 hands an hour. Takes 3 hours 20 mins for 100 hands. Playing lets say a $200NL game. You are making $10.20 an hour before any expenses are incurred.

If you think that is better than what you could do online ok.
Lol, exactly. I think some people make close to $10 an hour mass tabling 5NL.

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Originally Posted by IamPro
Multitabling online > Live unless u playing some really juicy games, also ppl forget to calculate expenses like gas/food/time itself
Also, it seems like everybody I have played with live is an expert poker player. Constantly telling you how you should've played a hand. Either that or they are a degen lunatic that screams and yells when they lose a big pot. I do okay live, but I can't bring myself to play more than once or twice a month. I hate the general public, lol.
04-09-2012 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Frozen Pizza
Lol, exactly. I think some people make close to $10 an hour mass tabling 5NL.



Also, it seems like everybody I have played with live is an expert poker player. Constantly telling you how you should've played a hand. Either that or they are a degen lunatic that screams and yells when they lose a big pot. I do okay live, but I can't bring myself to play more than once or twice a month. I hate the general public, lol.
Therapy and dry-cleaning expenses too

Last edited by IamPro; 04-09-2012 at 03:20 PM. Reason: b/c they smell
04-09-2012 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Frozen Pizza
Lol, exactly. I think some people make close to $10 an hour mass tabling 5NL.



Also, it seems like everybody I have played with live is an expert poker player. Constantly telling you how you should've played a hand. Either that or they are a degen lunatic that screams and yells when they lose a big pot. I do okay live, but I can't bring myself to play more than once or twice a month. I hate the general public, lol.
http://www.fifthidea.com/personality/

different stroke for dif folks

i am the opposite i play online like twice a month
04-09-2012 , 03:27 PM
That is usually the first sign. As with FTP when in the Nov before Black Friday people started to notice their banks were not or could not process the deposits.
04-09-2012 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
That is usually the first sign. As with FTP when in the Nov before Black Friday people started to notice their banks were not or could not process the deposits.
There is no check cashing problem... http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...hread-1026933/

Just massive vague assumptions with little or no analysis itt.

This started with a deposit discussion.
04-09-2012 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by NthingToLose
There is no check cashing problem... http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...hread-1026933/

This started with a deposit discussion.
911 buddy!
04-09-2012 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sketchy1
these threads are always started by an account i've never seen. your first post here is about merge getting seized. do you by any chance happen to work for cake or bodog? would make a hell of a lot of sense.
Totally agree.
04-09-2012 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
911 buddy!
This is the 2nd time in the thread you have quoted me, changed the quote, and not indicated that you made your own changes. Please stop doing that.
04-09-2012 , 03:54 PM
Nobody can say with any kind of certainty what will or wont happen. All any of us can do is go on what has taken place in the past. And for this reason alone, as it has been said many times before in and out of this thread is DO NOT KEEP ANY MORE MONEY ON ANY SITE THAT YOU ARENT WILLING TO SAY BYE BYE TO. Plain and simple, how can any site really be trusted until the US is under regulation. Some will continue to play, some wont for obv reasons. But enough with all these scare tactic threads, its pointless.
04-09-2012 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
http://www.fifthidea.com/personality/

different stroke for dif folks

i am the opposite i play online like twice a month
That's because people who are out of touch with reality tend to actually turn a profit against softer competition.
04-09-2012 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NthingToLose
Totally agree.
In the grand scheme of things I don't think the DOJ cares less about Merge. They are small and once the US legalizes online poker they will be rendered moot.
04-09-2012 , 05:07 PM
merge isnt worth the time. its like pulling someone over for going 75 mph in a 70 mph speed zone....
04-09-2012 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NthingToLose
DOJ has never taken any money from me. People who lost in FTP and UB/AP was due to the site management of funds, not DOJ...
Completely disagree. Yeah funds were mismanaged but FTP would have made up the missing money within a month or two if DOJ didn't seize domain and Alderney Gaming Commission didn't pull the license.

And they wouldn't have been missing so much money if DOJ didn't repeatidly seize funds and shut down processers.

I would say DOJ is 90% to blame and FTP 10%.

What I do agree with in your post is AP/UB was always a scam and I expected them to not have segregated funds.

And for what it's worth, my opinion of the merge situation is the DOJ may be able to take down a payment processer or two but they won't be able take down a web domain not registered in the US.
04-09-2012 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by A MTT PRO
Completely disagree. Yeah funds were mismanaged but FTP would have made up the missing money within a month or two if DOJ didn't seize domain and Alderney Gaming Commission didn't pull the license.

And they wouldn't have been missing so much money if DOJ didn't repeatidly seize funds and shut down processers.

I would say DOJ is 90% to blame and FTP 10%.

What I do agree with in your post is AP/UB was always a scam and I expected them to not have segregated funds.

And for what it's worth, my opinion of the merge situation is the DOJ may be able to take down a payment processer or two but they won't be able take down a web domain not registered in the US.
Every site since 2006 has had to deal with this. Pokerstars put it in their cost of doing business, segregated funds, and if lost would write it as an expense and refill the segregated funds to match on hand deposits. However, ftp allowed deposits to occur without debting banks for 6 months, never stopped HUGE distributions to owners until after BF, and never refilled player accounts. When your total year distributions is 30% of the liquidity on the site you have A)obligation to refill money after processors go down and B) Clearly shows mismanagement.

The DOJ doing what they have been doing for 6 years does not equate to being short on cash over 100 million$.

Whole point is ftp and UB/AP are unique cases and should not be analogous inherently with merge.
04-09-2012 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by A MTT PRO
Completely disagree. Yeah funds were mismanaged but FTP would have made up the missing money within a month or two if DOJ didn't seize domain and Alderney Gaming Commission didn't pull the license.

And they wouldn't have been missing so much money if DOJ didn't repeatidly seize funds and shut down processers.

I would say DOJ is 90% to blame and FTP 10%.

What I do agree with in your post is AP/UB was always a scam and I expected them to not have segregated funds.

And for what it's worth, my opinion of the merge situation is the DOJ may be able to take down a payment processer or two but they won't be able take down a web domain not registered in the US.
you really believe the DOJ is to blame for FTP???

hey, when you get a chance, fedex wahtever you're smoking to me. gotta be strong stuff if you think crooks who stole repeatedly from us are LESS TO BLAME than the gov't is lol.
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