Tom hasn't been in vegas in 6 months so its possible Howard wanted to meet with him for a bit and talk about the FTP situation.

Dwan and Complainsaw IMO

It is obviously Howard and Dwan. Anyone that doesn't see it, is an idiot. They look like them. They are dressed like Dwan and Howard dress. Their the same exact same size as Howard and Dwan. The pic was taken in Vegas. What else do you need? Their **** from that meal they ate to be analyzed for DNA?

Pic could be three years old.

/thread

dwan 100%, howard 99.9%

Has Dwan ever said that he outright doesn't associate with the former board of FTP? I've heard him say the company was poorly run and has made bad decisions, but I haven't heard him say he doesn't speak with Howard anymore and that he won't on an ongoing basis. Maybe I missed it.

The Ketchup bottle on the table which is upside-down, looks like one of Heinz's most recent designs

lol

Is it the innovate Plantbottle packaging, that is the question. I think it is, which would make this picture likely to have taken place in the last year.

http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com/d...rtnership.html

From I remember from an interview he said something like his not spoken to him for a while but would leave the door open to speak to him.

CSI itt

If he hasn't denied this yet, I think you can kinda safely assume it is true. He must have seen or been told of it by now. Though, there may be a legit question of when it was taken.

My iPhone 4S shows similar grain when trying to zoom in from across a room.

I really doubt the guy taking the picture had the balls to walk up 10 feet away and snap the picture.

Also low lighting makes a huge difference in picture quality with even the newest phones.

Very interesting this image has no exif data....

Pop-Tarts don't record EXIF data.

although I dont think this picture requires a response from Tom (in terms of yes/no i met with howard) it certainly would be nice to "just" know if this was the case.

Depends on the location. I've never been in Ellis Island, but based on photos I've found of the place, it's pretty dark inside. Even a decent DSLR could produce such an image if not handled well so a phone in the hands of a nearby fan certainly could.

The newest iPad and iPhone cameras have a fixed aperture of f/2.4. Other smartphones and devices seem to vary by a half-stop either way, but they all seem to run in that range (which is why you can take pretty well-lit photos indoors). With a constant aperture with no manual override settings, a smartphone's camera will adjust the shutter speed and sensor sensitivity (known as ISO in the film days) according to the scene.

In a dark environment like Ellis Island's dining room, the camera will slow its shutter speed until the subject is properly lit. This makes the image highly prone to blur: both due to the subject's movement or to camera shake. In this case, the softness is due to shake, which is why both the human and inanimate objects blur almost equally. You can tell by the ghosting around the little white specials card and the white bottle cap that the camera probably moved at an angle from lower left to upper right.

Additionally, a phone's camera (or a DSLR set on an automatic setting) will also adjust the sensitivity, maybe to as high as ISO 1600. If the camera's sensor isn't high quality -- which a phone's camera is not -- the image will display a lot of noise. All of that grain, speckles and blotches are enlarged if the user closed in with a digital zoom.

Finally, this photo was pulled off a friend's Facebook page. Not pretending to be a high-end photo-hosting service, Facebook further compresses images when uploading (presumably to save space), which results in additional artifacting.

All this said, this photo DOES look pretty bad. As dark as Ellis Island seems to be, this table was somewhat near one of the light fixtures: it's clearly above and very slightly behind "Tom." There is a visible highlight on top of his head, while the red cup in front of "Howard" casts a shadow that runs out a few inches. Draw a straight line from the edge of the shadow to the lip of that cup, then do the same with the ketchup bottle, and you can figure out very quickly where the light was. It shouldn't be so dark that a person can't get a better image.

My guess is that the guy shooting was trying to be quick and discreet, which means he wasn't too caught up in getting a tack-sharp image. Thus, we see what looks like security camera footage.

Not really. The photo was pulled from Facebook, which doesn't retain the info.

Here's a shot of an NVG favorite I took a while back at the Five Diamond. This is pulled from my own Facebook albums. If you were to open it, you would not find any EXIF data.



But the original image certainly has EXIF info:

Make: Canon
Model: Canon EOS 40D
Date Time: 12/6/2010 - 8:28 PM
Shutter Speed: 1/160 sec
Exposure Program: Manual
F-Stop: f/2.0
Aperture Value: f/2.0
Max Aperture Value: none
ISO Speed Ratings: 1250
Focal Length: 85.0 mm

What does it matter if he had dinner with Howard?

Brace yourself, Chinamaniac is here.

If Howard is having soup/salad then its not really dinner. IMO

Why isn't anyone asking what millionaires in Vegas are doing hanging out / eating dinner at a dive like Ellis island

Howard, his wife, his wife's sister and their bratty ****ty little kids were staying at the same resort as we were in Bora Bora a few years back. That outfit is exactly what Howard wore every single time I saw him - on the boat to the mainland, on the day trips, sitting by the pool, at dinner.

The date of the pic is the unknown, IMO.