For all the people saying "I don't understand why he would do this when he's won over $2 million!!". You're correct - if he had won $2 million he would be ******ed to do this.

Now imagine he didn't win $2 million, and that the HEM screenshot was actually BS. Does it become more understandable?

Sounds about right!

Dog is head is the most suspicious character in this entire situation imo. He hasn't even responded to Jose admitting that he was logging into his account. Given the other information we know about the level of investment DIH had with Jose (creating websites, writing blogs ect) this is a pretty important bit of information that has been glossed over.

Exactly this was not the first, and would more than likely not have been the last, the 30k was probably also not the biggest and i would suggest would certainly not been the biggest if he/they had continued this scam (it may still continue just a different scam, cheaters always gonna cheat etc).

I think Durrr probably got a lucky escape, although i doubt he would be stupid enough to play the Durrr challenge against Jose when he would have known he lives with Jungle, someone who he already has a ongoing prop bet with, and might i add that it was always Jungle that was so cocksure and pushy to play and beat Durrr in the challenge, maybe something was fishy and Durrr smelt a rat and that is why Durrr kept on delaying playing the challenge against Jungle. Hmmmm.

Edit. In B4 Durrr asking for his 700k back.

This.

Why does DIH and jungleman get away simply by saying "we didn't know, we were fooled, sorry about all the bad stuff"? They were in Portugal ready to LIVE with the guy.

We can't just take their word for what they say is true and that they weren't involved at all. Saying "well, DIH and Jungleman are obviously very trustworthy" is pretty meaningless now, considering what they (and others) thought about Girah.

fyp

No, it is confirmation that Haseeb might or might not have logged into Girahs account. I mean, its funny how everyone is calling him a lier/scammer etc, but after he has said that one line, they are taking it as gospel truth!!

Put yourself in Girahs shoes, if you need to come up with a plausible excuse as to why you cannot log into one account on a network, whilst remaining logged in on another account on the network (ie the saurah89 scam account or w/e it was)... then the reason he gave it as perfect as it gets, namedropping a what was then a redpro who was known for being his friend. it is totally believable.

Thats not to say it isn't what happened of course!

I agree with this completely

lol @ people who are still saying why just 30k when he has made over 2mil.
it quite clearly wouldnt have stopped at 30k if he wasnt caught and i also belive he has probably made more than 30k from this already.
and he clearly never won 2mil off his own ability either wake up he is just a very clever con man nothing els to it maybe he knows some reasonable level of poker and talks a gg but know way his ability gets him 2mil or he wouldnt contemplate what he done

I kinda feel like durrrr was the target here??? thoghts? Had to make an account to put my two cents in.

Well that's where Haseeb comes in, hopefully he'll answer this question. I presume he hasn't seen it yet, he's very busy atm.

Because they gave him 1 mill to STFU ?

Yeah pretty clear that he was going for a lot more than 30k since he told sauce to play sauron1989 and he also PM'ed me to play 25/50 and 50/100 etc.

I like Jungleman as a player, and so I really hope Jungleman had nothing to do with this scammer... but I will admit that it looks SUPER shady that Jungleman and DIH were going to live with this scammer!

Whilst this is indeed very interesting, one question is still niggling away at the back of my mind...

Can't blame them, they were told he was 100% trustworthy!

Trusters gonna trust imo.

Wow, that's some incompetence right there. That could have easily been avoided. If he used his brain he could have got away with whats in OP too, but thankfully he didn't.

So this is a very long thread and I am not going to read through all of it. Below is my account of everything that has happened.

Girah invites me to a skype strategy group. This was probably a 4-6 weeks after black friday. During this time, I was playing very little poker and was almost non-existent in the group. I didn't participate in much strategy discussions nor any sweat sessions.

At some point, I log in and Girah and Toocurious are talking about a fish named dollarman223. TooCurious mentions that this fish plays terribly preflop but seems to 'own' him postflop and that he plays 25-50+. Girah pushes me to play dollarman. TooCurious is horrible at poker, so I decide to play dollarman. We play a short session of 1 table of 25-50 where I end up winning. During this time Girah is messaging me on skype but not viewing my screen. Dollarman leaves only to return in a short while. We begin playing another session during which Girah presses me very hard to allow him to 'sweat' me via teamviwer. Reluctantly, I agree.

I want to stress that this is the first and last time I have allowed anyone to 'sweat' me at my regular stakes. I have allowed students to watch me play much lower stakes and ask questions later - but that is where my 'sweating' experience ends.


Dollarman and I play another short session, this time with Girah watching via TV. I run numerous suicide bluffs, all of which work and end up winning about 4k overall. Dollarman becomes 'tilted' and asks to play 50-100 deep. I decline. He asks to play at a different time and we exchange e-mails. Over the next 2 weeks, dollarman e-mails me several times asking to play 2 tables of 50-100 deep. Over the same time period, Jose becomes super insistent that I play dollarman and allow him to TV. It becomes almost an obsession for him. He is also insistent that TooCurious play dollarman and allow him to TV and that the European guys in the group who play on ipoker play sauron.

This goes on until toocurious messages me and says he believes that Girah is cheating. It is decided that we contact ipoker and merge to try and collect some hard evidence and look for links between Girah and dollarman. One of the guys ends up contacting Sauce and Dogishead.

While we waited for responses, one or more of the group members pressed Girah for information. I was not involved in any of the discussions with Girah, as I have had very little contact with him since TooCurious brought up these allegations but I did read through the chat transcripts that were posted. It was clear that Girah knew that he was caught as he had come up with a story that his 'real life frined' super used him. This story was sent to at least 3 people in the group, myself included. Following this he admitted to ToOCurious that dollarman and sauron are the same person and that it is his rich friend from school and that "sometimes" he played at his house. A bunch of other BS followed.

The next day(?) Dogishead enters our skype chat and says that Girah confessed to him that this cheating took place. Prior to this, Girah did not confess to me nor anyone else within the group as far as I know. In any case, Dog says he will get back the money of those who lost it. In fact, he gave his word that if Jose didn't pay then he and Jungleman would. He then asks if we are going to go public with this and mentions that it's up to us, but he would rather it didn't go public. He mentions that they were going to go live with him...but if this gets out then they can't do that anymore...implying that if this wasn't outed they would still live together(?). He continues by taking on the role of big brother and almost defending Girah by saying that he's young and stupid and that while what he did was scummy, he doesn't think that he's a bad person and a whole bunch of other comments that rubbed me the wrong way.

During these conversations, Dog admitted that both he and Jungleman back Girah for highstakes games. This leads me to believe that either Dog or Jungleman were the mysterious backer who logged in to play PLO during the Lock Challenge. Jose also mentioned that one of the ipoker accounts he uses is in Dog's name. To quote Dog "draw your own conclusions".

Dog was very insistent that we hold off on making any posts before he had a chance to deal with this situation as both Jungle and him had "strong ties" to Jose. He also wanted us to wait and "confront" Jose and let him "explain himself" and other completely asinine kindergarten BS.


It became apparent (at least to me) that the only thing Dog cared about was his reputation, not about what his "very close" friend did, not about the people who were cheated - only that he's not portrayed in any way that could damage him. He confirmed this yesterday when, upon learning that all of the above would be posted, came into the skype group and said that if this was mentioned, "there is NO way [they] can agree to bank transfer the money".

According to Dog, in terms of reimbursement, Jungleman was going to bank wire funds to Moss who would distribute them to those who were cheated. I don't know if this is still the plan or if this has happened yet since I am not owed. It is a complete mess and it is possible that Girah may be repaying the funds via Lock.

Wow, that's some incompetence right there. That could have easily been avoided. If he used his brain he could have got away with whats in OP too (although for less $ probably), but thankfully he didn't.

What a wink

xposting from hsnl:

Like the others have said, Jose posted strat instantly pretty much every day for many months.

Now, Moss and I have been discussing whether it's right to post this as we don't want to send people on a wild goose chase, but we think it's relevant so here goes: My experience sweating Jose left me quite surprised as he seemed insecure and unsure what to do in basic situations. Put shortly, the level of his play did not match the level of his strat talk. If I remember correctly I did only sweat him for 20-30 minutes, but this was enough to make me wonder at the time. In the end I chalked it up to him focusing more on 6 max than HU games. I did not mention this to anyone until after Jose was exposed as a cheater. Matt will make a post shortly to clarify what he thought of Jose's play.

DIH= the REAL slumdog millionaire
why haven't you given an explanation as to why jose accused you of being logged into his account? if true, this would only reaffirm what everyone already knew after you tried to kill the ashman...that are you scumdog millionaire

Yup, ivvaen has basically said what I also surmised from watching him play for ten minutes. His plays didn't seem downright bad, but he did plenty of things that I would not anticipate anyone who is particularly good at heads up poker doing. I actually noted down seven different hands in a 10 minute period where I thought he made a decision that was not optimal (and in some cases I thought it was a fairly bad mistake). To clarify the matter, and hopefully bulk out our flimsy sample size a little, the matches ivvaen and I watched were two different matches, though again, mine was only for a 10 minute period.

in after epic post from JnyC