Jose, you deserve to go to jail. I really hope someone brings this to the attention of police.

This is what people get 5 years of jail for.

Seems to me you never had any of those millions you told us about.

What a sad story.

Why?

I agree that theres no excuse for what he's done but It's really not the same
thing here since he paid back double of what he stole. That's like a serial killer would bring the people he killed back to life after he's caught.

This is definitely wrong.

Jose pays only because he is forced to. He has no other way to solve this.

I think he would gladly pay 10 times the amount, if otherwise, he would be sent to jail.

makes me not wanna trust anyone - maybe i'll scam myself !

yeah, I think that's possibly not a fair comparison lol...

has a scammer ever been sent to jail? i remember one but it wasn't only about poker tho...

lol ... yeah he would go to jail. First skype must give out the IP of Jose then Ipoker needs to give out the IP of Sauron1989(Then the ISP must confirm that those are the IPs of Jose, if the 2 IPs are from 2 people it will be hard to prove that they actually cheated together). And then is the question was it really a crime. As I`m not a lawyer, I`m not sure how easy it will be to prove that it was really Jose etc. and how easy skype gives out IPs

Two thoughts:

1) This is by far the worst thing a poker player could do. It's theft pure and simple. There are a lot of questionable actions that you can excuse as "oh I didn't really think about it, but yeah now that you mention it, it's kind of messed up [eg multiaccounting back in the day when it was never discussed critically]" or "there are arguments on both sides [eg HUDs, live coaching, etc]" but this is not excusable in any way. The complete depravity required to do something like this is just shocking. He should go to jail, nobody should believe a word he says b/c at this point he's got nothing to lose by lying and trying his hardest to make himself look good, and the poker community needs to completely shun him. There are lots of situations in which somebody should get a second chance for a youthful or thoughtless mistake. This isn't one of them.

2) Everybody trying to blame Sauce/Jungle/Haseeb is crazy here. Regardless of whether past rumors wrt the Big 3 using Jose's account are true (I didn't fully read the thread, have no opinion on the subject, etc.), nothing that anybody suspected these three of at all relates to this scamming situation. Taking previous speculation and conspiracy theorizing and using it as evidence of guilt in one setting, and then presuming that guilt and trying to use it as evidence of guilt regarding an entirely unrelated issue is insane. It's like hearing a rumor durrrr and Ivey collude, assuming they collude, and then blaming durrrr for the recent NoahSD article about Ivey.

The most you could say is that they made a bad judgment call vouching for this guy and this helped make him famous. The only problem with that is that there's no way to see something like this coming and when you vouch for people on the internet it's never "I did a thorough background search and subjected him to numerous tests to see if he had hidden sociopathic behavioral traits," the most you can ever vouch for somebody you're not IRL friends with is "I can vouch his story checks out and that he's been honest and forthright with me in the past." Basically, they talked to a guy who obviously knew his poker stuff and who befriended them on the internet, and expecting them to somehow be responsible for people falling for his scam reads way too much into what vouching actually means.

i also noticed that sentence, and dont want to accuse anyone, but wasn't jman his first hs contact, if i remember well?

whereas I agree that it doesn't make much sense, I have a feeling from the tone of his post + the general evidence that this is exactly what happened

btw doesnt ipoker show locations like FTP/Stars? I remember that they have flags.

If the sauronaccount did show that he is from portugal, then well you guys are pretty stupid then.

+100000

This

because the plan was obviously a lot more than 30 buy ins, that just when he happened to get caught.

You can set the settings to show whatever you want, or not to show at all.

Everything else aside, I hope incidents like this can finally lay to rest the ridiculous argument that "person/company X would never cheat, look at how much money they make! Why would they risk it?"

The truth is that for a lot of people, however much money they have is not enough, and they will look for any shortcuts to make more money, and quickly, and even when they get that more, they STILL won't think it's enough.

Old but often true: Money is the root of all evil. Or at least the root of a lot of immature, greedy, scumbag behavior.

FYP

please, do you really expect us to believe to believe you're that busy and "all over the place" that you can't check 2+2, because your life is that hectic. im sure you've been following this thread extremely closely since it started, and will continue to do so.

also, suprise suprise, both you and jungleman post in this thread at roughly the same sort of time. as this thread shows, the truth always come out in the end...

lol

and this is why regular ppl perceive poker players as dishonest and shady...

lol

yea and all germans are nazis.

And that`s why all people are stupid, because it`s lol samplesize. Here you are in a HUGE Community, and every scam gets public. IRL this does not happen as you don`t "know" that much people.

Hey u , brainstorm. They TRAVEL together. When they actually sit down on their laptops at some Airport u find it unreasonable that they post close to each other after wading through this mess? Jesus

Yes, they probably follow this thread closely, by their smartphone or something but sitting down and typing a 6 page response on a smartphone that will get dissected by the nvgtards in every way? nahh. They would want to bring out their laptops and sit down in a quiet place for a while to do that. Otherwise every sentence they put out badly will get eternally twisted around.

Also lol at harassing them. As I would care to post a huge statement, when I just tried to move to canada and got kicked out, then travelled to europe to live in Portugal and now I would not be able to do that...

Don't worry Jose, you'll be fine. You won't be shunned from the poker community at all. Just ask JJ Prodigy and Sorel Mizzi, poker players are huge btches who wont do **** even if you steal from them blatantly.