+1

Pls do this. So we might find out who else is involved. i.e cates, haseeb...

Too soon.

+100

Are you all kidding? You got screwed while trying to scam another player whom it turns out was scamming you?? WTF?

And how are all the rest of you missing this?

Not that I play HS nor would I on line ever (I Hope) but hell I'd be P.O.d to the max if I ever found out one of you was being coached to beat me! Unless OP told the other player "hey btw I am allowing a poker prodigy to sweat and coach me while I try to take your money is that okay?" "NO really I am" then this is just pathetic

I don't feel bad for anyone who got screwed here. YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF CHEATS and you should all be banned. Who else was in this "study group?"

I coach study groups of Law students. I don't think it would ever be okay to coach them during an exam. This is like a take home exam cheat, you should all be ashamed.

Okay I guess I am too new to rant on 2+2 so rant over.

Hey all, this has been about as weird and surprising to me and the other high stakes guys who know Jose as it has been for everyone else. I was told he was 100% trustworthy and he seemed like the type to be so, so I never questioned his integrity. I still don't really understand why he not only scammed people in one of the scummiest ways possible, but also decided to risk his whole career for a seemingly small amount... Clearly I made a mistake in trusting him, and now question our relationship as a whole.

Haseeb and I are in Europe still trying to get settled in to play online once again, we have talked about the situation and we can't abide by what he did, so we can't live with him in Portugal and I can no longer consider him my student.

Again this is all really ridiculous, I and the high stakes players who supported him in the past never would have imagined he would do this. GL to all those who got scammed.

in after jungle

There must be some difference in coaching/sweating a customer or friend and getting on skype and getting people to deposit because of a big fish playing.

Even the colluder said after 3 days he became suspicious.

Who coaches or sweats someone for 3 days?

They weren't coaching during the exam but after, 90% of students do detailed play by plays of their exams afterwards, are they all a bunch of cheats?

Gimp

Ah, soo this is what it must means when that guy said to me, was he like 3rd level of thinking, or 4th, it rlly like, is he workign with "A" syndicate or "E". scammers gonna scma, then get reversed scammed by the scammer

lol madness, game theory. gl with that

I already deleted my post no need to quote, don´t got time to argue over this.


Of course there is difference but i wasnt talking about this.
I was talking about overall how coaching works as people are surprised.

Can you provide your thoughts/theory on this part? Is it possible that his results were BS? The whole publicity was one elaborate set-up?

It's tilting me that he constantly says it's just within the HS community.

Land of the free, for the last time this is common practise EVERYWHERE in online poker, in all stakes. Whether or not you consider it cheating, or we do (or don't) or whatever, it's not an issue for this thread. To change that this happens will take more than an uprising here, so go start a new thread and try to do some damage there.

All you will achieve here is pissing off lots of people and taking away from other issues that need to be settled.

lol he would never have owned up if he hadn't got caught

Do you feel responsible at all?

+1

Director's cut?

Actually, assuming the truth of all these statements (he was scammed, he scammed others and there is no friend) then this adds up perfectly and is often the case.

Sometimes victims feel bad for other victims, sometimes they say "F*** this I am going to do to others before they do me again first." It is even more true among young men. I see it all the time in clients who had been victims who decide to turn the tables. Often see it in young women who are victims of sexual assault at a young age who then decide to become sex workers too. They figure before someone else just takes it they want to use themselves to make money. It comes down to a feeling of being worthless so WTF.

I am not writing to excuse this behavior, rather to explain why what seems like a hypocrisy (there is a better word for it but I can't think of it... old age I guess) is actually not, and that the expected is not always the reality. FWIW.

i'm surprised jungleman seems to not even be the slightest mad

There is no question that the original HEM results were BS. The real Jose has, for the past 2 months on Merge, been struggling to be break-even (steadily losing in fact) - very weird for a prodigy not to be able to win against midstakes regs on Merge when he was getting double digit winrates at much higher stakes before apparently.

Whether he was ghosted, or simply made up an alias on HEM with a bunch of winning players, Jose is not the player who got those results. I showed some time ago that there is pretty much impossible that Jose and oovoo99 (whose results are included in Jose's HEM screenshot) are the same player. But yeah, obviously no prodigy would ever need to scam like this - and from the sounds of it he was positively desperate to convince people to do sweat sessions against specific players...

Hey guys,

This whole situation has come as a huge surprise to all of us who've been supporting Jose. No one ever imagined he could do something like this, and honestly I still have difficulty understanding his motives. We've been traveling to Europe (Jungle and I have been in Gibraltar for the last few days) and as such, I had to be very brief, with having to wade through all of the commotion in what's happened from every end. Since Jungle and I decided that we no longer can be with Jose after the way he's betrayed our trust, we have changed our plans from Portugal and are now trying to sort out another place to live within Europe. This whole situation is a huge cluster**** to say the least.

Right now it's very difficult for me to spend a lot of time on 2p2, but as I've heard that the rumors and speculation are running rampant, I will say this and I will say it as emphatically and clearly as I can. None of us who supported Jose had any idea about any of this. None of us. We supported Jose and believed in him singlemindedly, I will admit that. I personally had a very strong relationship with the kid. I don't know why, but none of us who believed in him ever imagined he had it in him to be so greedy and dishonest to do something like this. Clearly, we were wrong, and as was I to place our faith in him. What he did was really ****ed up and inexcusable. I may be able to write more once Jungle and I secure a place to live and lay our heads, but for the moment we are very all over the place. But for everyone who thinks that there is some huge conspiracy or that Jose is a puppet for some high stakes scamming ring - get a ****ing grip, ffs.

Suffice it to say, the OP speaks for itself. I wish the best to all of the victims in dealing with this.

Haseeb

He most likely has analysed every single variable and has made the best decision possible.

This is what I thought too. It seems kind of suspicious...

Maybe I misunderstood. It seems that the OP and Girah were talking during the game, and that Girah was giving OP advice. I consider that cheating.

As for post-mortem"ing" an exam or a poker session that is not only completely legal but it is the best way to coach. It's one thing to coach it is another to step in and play the game.

Lame

missed this earlier.

You better come clean now haseeb, truth will come out, one way or the other.