The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 HSNL xpost - Page 13 - Poker News

So correct me if I'm wrong but so far the following players have admitted/have been implicated in participating in HS HU ghosting sessions against 'fish' - MossBoss (“jajay1963”), ImFromSweden, TooCuriousso1. "Other HS players" are also mentioned in OP and other posts as having taken part in these. So the behaviour seems to be widespread and considered as 'no big deal'. Ethics don't appear to be high on the agenda here.

OP calls participating in these sessions 'naive' - I don't think 'naive' is quite the proper word to use here.

Should perhaps another thread be opened where this can be discussed separately from Jirah's scam and where others can perhaps be warned to beware playing HU against these guys?

YES.

These guys are absolutely cheaters and should not be viewed any diffrently. Players should definitely be warned that they are not going to be playing against MossBoss (“jajay1963”), ImFromSweden, TooCuriousso1 during HU confrontations, but against a mix of HS players.

08-07-2011 , 07:45 AM

#302

SmokeyQ123

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If you wanna discuss the ethics of ghosting, open another thread imo. That is an issue that has been discussed ad nauseim, and is not only (openly) practised by these guys but a very large % of online grinders and probably >50% of coaches.

Land of the free, if you really believe that they should not be viewed any differently then you are beyond help. Are you even aware of if there is a one player to a hand rule? If there isn't, do you still think they should be looked at no differently?

Whatever though, open a new thread.

08-07-2011 , 07:47 AM

#303

Audorin

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Forever gone, started as a scam - Ended as one.

08-07-2011 , 07:48 AM

#304

Invertible

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Land Of The Free?

Guess you should list everyone who has ever had coaching/been in a study group as well

08-07-2011 , 07:48 AM

#305

Land Of The Free?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyJ

If you wanna discuss the ethics of ghosting, open another thread imo. That is an issue that has been discussed ad nauseim, and is not only (openly) practised by these guys but a very large % of online grinders and probably >50% of coaches.

Land of the free, if you really believe that they should not be viewed any differently then you are beyond help. Are you even aware of if there is a one player to a hand rule? If there isn't, do you still think they should be looked at no differently?

Whatever though, open a new thread.

Please learn how to read. I didn't say "any differently from Jose", I said "any differently from cheaters"

And no, I disagree. I think this is a fine thread to discuss it. A lot of people are viewing this thread now and I think it's perfectly fine and actually important to point out that OP, ImFromSweden and TooCurioso1 cheat in online games.

These guys need to be outed for what they are, I'm not sure why you'd want to prevent that.

08-07-2011 , 07:49 AM

#306

marlijuissi

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jailtime imo

08-07-2011 , 07:52 AM

#307

Isitdur?

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Shameful, Jose.

08-07-2011 , 07:52 AM

#308

orpz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyJ

+1

wtf

08-07-2011 , 07:54 AM

#309

SmokeyQ123

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Land Of The Free?

LOL. You conveniently forgot to tell me whether it's actually cheating or not, since if pokerstars/full tilt/ipoker don't have a one-player-to-a-hand-rule then it isn't cheating just as shortstacking isn't cheating. Come back when you have an answer otherwise things you say, like this:

Quote:

important to point out that OP, ImFromSweden and TooCurioso1 cheat in online games.

are worthless since they may very well be operating within the rules and not cheating.

This is NOT a fine thread to discuss it as THERE ARE MANY MANY OTHER THREADS. Nothing new is going to be said, and there are issues that need to be solved here without having a ghosting discussion over-run it. We need answers from jungleman, haseeb. We need a 2p2 detective to figure out what is true/false with the rest of the story. We don't need an ethics discussion on ghosting. It's been done before.

08-07-2011 , 07:56 AM

#310

knef

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Invertible

Guess you should list everyone who has ever had coaching/been in a study group as well

Surely though a player can just record his session and send it to a coach afterwards? It certainly does not have to be live when real money is won and lost. The OP happily admits to something along the lines "Jirah: 'Hey, there is a fish online right now. Sit at his table and let's get him.' OP: 'Cool' "

A study group does not have to involve ghosting either (and most don't).

08-07-2011 , 08:00 AM

#311

scoopin_monsters

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in b4 team poker.

08-07-2011 , 08:01 AM

#312

DesperadoGM

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perhaps it is silent ghosting with discussion only occuring after the session has finished. In which case i dont see much wrong with it. If multiple people were commenting during the hand then this is unethical....

regrdless there should be a new thread for that topic as it is a sub story of the headline news ITT and discussing both is just painfull to read.

08-07-2011 , 08:01 AM

#313

Invertible

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Quote:

Originally Posted by knef

I've been involved in a couple of groups, both have involved sweat sessions. And I only know a couple of people who have had coaching, but both have done it through sweating as its far easier to do it this way, I presume nearly all coaches do it this way.

As long as the person ghosting isn't telling the person how to play a hand, and just giving advice after a hand has played out, I see no problem

08-07-2011 , 08:06 AM

#314

grogheadflow7

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At least he didn't buy a few hand histories

08-07-2011 , 08:07 AM

#315

diggla

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what an incredible lowlife scumbag/scambag. leave poker asap

08-07-2011 , 08:07 AM

#316

BarrySanders

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Where are you Marco Antonio??

08-07-2011 , 08:11 AM

#317

gobby888

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Only read half of this epic thread, but has anyone questioned why Girah needed to go the dishonest route in order to help his 'fish' friend?

If he's such the poker prodigy as we're lead to believe, why not coach his fish friend not to suck at the tables? Or maybe, make him play microstakes?

It seems like you're trying to deflect the original idea to scam your own friends, onto someone else you call a 'friend', thereby making it appear that you were influenced.

The most likely case unfortunately, is that you originally had that idea and intention to cheat others.

08-07-2011 , 08:12 AM

#318

guardian troll

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BarrySanders

Where are you Marco Antonio??

08-07-2011 , 08:15 AM

#319

Invertible

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Quote:

Originally Posted by grogheadflow7

At least he didn't buy a few hand histories

awesome

08-07-2011 , 08:15 AM

#320

GloupnaktouK

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BarrySanders

Where are you Marco Antonio??

Yeah, let's go after the 14 yo brother whose world probably just collapsed and make him feel worse.

Coward, much? Guess you're a real stud in bed...with 6 yo's.

08-07-2011 , 08:16 AM

#321

doctesseractyl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziplok

the kids a straight up sociopath, plain and simple. He has no remorse other than he got caught, I hope nobody feels an ounce of sympathy for him or believes a word of his ridiculous apology. Just disgusting. I hope the people that have said 'good for you for paying them back' and 'people make mistakes' think this through a bit. He was scamming people that trusted him a great deal, he came clean AFTER he was busted and clearly this is all nothing more than damage control. As others have said, he's Russ Hamilton light and in some cases its even worse as he tricked people who placed their trust in him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshall28

This is disgraceful. I echo the words of all who have said that this should not be tolerated and no matter what Jose claims to be willing to pay back that there is no coming back from doing something like this. He should be barred from the community and an example needs to be made for anyone thinking about doing anything like this in the future.

+1
Although I don't see it happening, they only way people like this go away is if you ignore them:

Quote:

Originally Posted by LookingForProdigy

Portugese prodigy wins over 2 mill on euro sites. LF more info!
Hi i recently got back into poker after big downswong(omg plo) and got some coaching from someone(wont reveal name - well known coach with rate over 300/hr, posts on 2p2) who told me he had coached a 16 yrs old portugal kid who had deposit 30 euros isildur style and ran it up to 2.5 million in a year, he sayd he was genius smart and fearless and went quick past his coaching to high limits(at the time of coaching he was playing 5-10nl and 10-20nl)

Aperently unlike isildur the kid has some br management and like isi insane HU and 6m skills, since i did some research and talked to some ipoker betfair regs i know who all claim to have seen a portuguese kid with always different names going round on the sites owning absolutely every1(many of these regs told me he was super bad and spewy and they dont believe he won so much money, thats why im posting here). also many ppl told me diffrent acs of his and he multi accs a lot also, i herd this is one http://www.pokertableratings.com/ipo...search/oovoo99 (not sure if this is true)

also managed to track down a friend of him who he had coachd who told me he is still under 18 and lives with his mom and more important, has acc on 2P2!! And also knows a lot of the america high stakes comunity. friend also said reason noone knows he is because of portugese tax reasons and his underaged status

So wat bettr place to go than 2p2. i am offering 200 usd to anyone tht has more relveant info(usernames and/or the contact info of this kid). if you have reputation and many vouches i will send 1/2 first on ftp or stars and 1/2 after u give me info. if not i send everything after i see how good info is, u have nothing to lose tho. PM me.

anyways, u guys think this is true or possible, any of u herd about such a legend? discuss

Rest in Peace Jose, Jan 22nd 2011 through August 7th, because your legend has ended... RIP

(and this is usually how it ends, when something starts out as shady as this)

08-07-2011 , 08:17 AM

#322

crow2go

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Quote:

PokerStrategy.com Ends Cooperation With Girah After Admission Of Scamming
...
Macedo joined our coaching staff a few weeks ago and provided a high-quality coaching video, but given the current situation, we will end our cooperation with him with immediate effect.

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/wo...camming_50037/

08-07-2011 , 08:17 AM

#323

MossBoss

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It would appear that the confession isn't to be taken at face value, just received this PM (maxkatz1 is a real ipoker player):

Hey,

I'm maxkatz1 on ipoker and read the whole story today. Basically I had done some investigating after loosing to sauon1989 and Jose sweating me 3days in a row and was gonna post sth similiar. He also said sth about a nick on ongame and i kinda suspect its also one of his scam accounts.

Last edited by MossBoss; 08-07-2011 at 08:23 AM. Reason: had included skype nickname

08-07-2011 , 08:19 AM

#324

Hood

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Quote:

Originally Posted by knef

So correct me if I'm wrong but so far the following players have admitted/have been implicated in participating in HS HU ghosting sessions against 'fish' - MossBoss (“jajay1963”), ImFromSweden, TooCuriousso1. "Other HS players" are also mentioned in OP and other posts as having taken part in these. So the behaviour seems to be widespread and considered as 'no big deal'. Ethics don't appear to be high on the agenda here.

OP calls participating in these sessions 'naive' - I don't think 'naive' is quite the proper word to use here.

Should perhaps another thread be opened where this can be discussed separately from Jirah's scam and where others can perhaps be warned to beware playing HU against these guys?

The only site that has explicitly prohibited ghosting was Full Tilt, I believe. It had been explicitly permitted on PokerStars. Can't speak for ipoker but unless it's been stated otherwise or it's in the T&Cs, we can assume it's not a prohibited activity. It's these days a standard part of studying, coaching, video making, etc.

You may wish to lobby sites to change this policy; but don't jump to the conclusion that these players are cheating.