I dunno, December and January have had a ton of bonuses, more than before. Check out the MTT thread, people are really pleased with them.

That`s exactly what i`m saying. MTT THREAD. Any format and reward system possible for tournaments. I get it fun players like them. I was starting playing tourneys as well.

Cash games have been a very little concern of pokerstars as a business direction. They dont promote it, they do give additional motivation for people to play them. How can that end well?

What competitors

Do you have any numbers on the state of tournaments? There have been big yoy cash game declines but spin n goes are not even close to equivalent. A full $.25 spin n go table is making them about 50 cents an hour right? A HU NL50 table is making them around 50 times that.

Pure gold. We just ripped you off and lied repeatedly about it but that's all in the past. History is boring. Don't waste your time dwelling on it. What's important is all the marks we can con going forward.

Can I kill someone and use that as a defense I wonder?

Tomorrow I am one month into my 6-month self-ban because of this deceit - I'm currently a micro-stakes player.

No regrets so far, even though I only really play lo-stakes mixed FL cash/tournament games and some PL and I can't play much of that anywhere elsewhere.

I won't be depositing in 5 months unless they sort themselves out.

This might be a small voice, but I hope they listen.

as far as i can remember, some players told about the NDAs they had signed, when they had the meetings at the IoM. idk why anyone would be surprised, that you have to sign something like this, if you get to see confidential data.

but anyway ... the DN interview was posted itt, and if you read it (and between the lines) you basically don't have to wait until ike and daniel (and maybe dani) post (i'm speaking about results, not an opinion)

Some people would much rather read what Ike has to say rather than what Daniel has to say. Listening Daniel jizz all over himself isn't something I want to hear.

it's not about how DN said something (or about his opinion), but more about if there any (positive) results of the whole meeting (which seems to be a question ITT). and if you read DNs interview, that question is pretty much answered.

if you want to hear what Ike/Daniel thought of the meeting, of course you have to wait until Ike/Daniel post their opinion ... but that's what i already wrote in my previous post

but i guess you like to "jizz all over" yourself, before you try to understand a simple forum post

huh? what about the jan cashgame quest promo?

Which part of "If we breach the NDA we're in trouble with the SEC" don't you understand?

But you don't need Ike to break the NDA to work out the message being sent out by the management. It seems pretty likely from Daniel's interview that the players were shown eye-watering churn numbers, and that Stars' poker profit margins have been suffering. We could argue all day (and indeed have in multiple threads) about whether Stars is doing the right things to improve the eco-system, but the basic fact is that the paradigm has shifted. Cashgame traffic will continue to decline, the 'mass-tabling poker pro' will more or less be killed off, and Amaya will continue with its push towards the higher margins of jackpot-type games and sports betting for recreational degens.
Whether the shareholders like it or not is beside the point. Poker regs have pretty much nothing to be happy about, because - to the accountants that are calling the shots - winning players are basically their enemies.

Hopefully it shifts you guys towards more abitious protesting ways, like complete boycott + roll withdrawals + perhaps crowdfunding for lawyers for class action and anti-trust suits to local regulators.

I haven't played a single hand on Stars in 2016, and will likely ignore the site with exception of a small number of SCOOP and WCOOP events. PLO and NLHE are present elsewhere, and Amaya is a lot closer to bankrupcy than monsters like William Hill. Pls don't give up.

DNegs probably kisses himself in every mirror he passes

Such a baller DNegs, $5 million in bonds earning interest = $300,000k. Nice Respect. Got to think he has net worth ~ $10m, not bad considering most in the industry are skint, and presumably most of his playing partners from 2003 era.

LOL be careful Daniel, I wouldn't want you to get hurt. Amaya has struggled in the past with the concept of multi-year agreements.

Props for at least not calling it a lack of communication.

Will be interesting to hear the players take on it.

so there was no way of using publicly available info to establish more or less the same facts regarding the ecosystem/the need of thse changes/etc and start the discussion from there, with the difference that you guys would actually be able to communicate their answers and your thoughts with the people you represented in that meeting? instead you signed an NDA, but you couldn't use the added info to negotiate/get something to move because you agreed beforehand that you wouldn't? what exactly was the purpose of the meeting?

I guess the purpose of the meeting was to even have a meeting, the player meetings were discontinued so it's at least a step forward...

what's the purpose of a players meeting then?

for players to have insight and input on potential moves that the company may make

Dani Stern ‏@TheRealAnsky 39m39 minutes ago
I do not agree with @RealKidPoker assessment that we "left happy."

Dani Stern ‏@TheRealAnsky 38m38 minutes ago
Fundamentally, the #1 issue was left unchanged, the deception of SN+. By far the most tense moment happened after @RealKidPoker left.

Dani Stern ‏@TheRealAnsky 36m36 minutes ago
We made it clear we do not think the poker community views that as simply a "communication error," and they didn't really fight us on that.

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Daniel Dvoress ‏@DDvoress 1h1 hour ago
I'm not as positive as @RealKidPoker implies about the meeting. I only agree that some data implies changes were necessary.

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Isaac Haxton ‏@ikepoker 7m7 minutes ago
The meeting was civil and courteous but yielded no progress for players. I didn't "go away happy." @RealKidPoker

Well that gives some nice insight.

Would you have a meeting with someone who robbed your house? What would you ask - please stop robbing me? Daniel is suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

Dani's playing on Stars now so it must have went great!

A+

If nothing can be changed as it's not a negotiation I can't see any upside for players with these meetings. All that can be accomplished is Pstars gets to muzzle the loudest of their critics.

This talk about the ecosystem is true and not true at the same time imo. If Pstars stuck with their business model prior to Spins then it's mainly all bs. With the introduction of Spins and future "Jackpot" type games then the ecosystem line may have some truth as there won't be enough rec players in the common pool. But the reason is because Pstars has decided through the new offerings to syphon these rec players into a highly raked segregated game format where Pstars profit margins are increased by a huge percentage compared to traditional offerings.

If the ecosystem was of paramount importance they wouldn't introduce these new formats... unless their definition of ecosystem translates to their profit margin.