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10-19-2023 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by trosenone
Wow, hell of a job here Kyle. Appreciate all the hard work that went into discovering and outing him as a cheat. There’s no doubt in my mind he’s just the tip of the iceberg for rta cheats in our pool. I fear this news is also going to hurt our pool considerably after more recreational players hear about this. Just terrible stuff all around really.

PureLegacy has been a thorn in my side all year (most losses to him 2023 at 200nl and second overall for all stakes). Most notably, he has the greatest relative disparity of 20-50bb pot loss/win ratio compared to all the other regs I’ve faced by far. Very indicative of cheating in 3bp.

I’ve attached some texts about him from this year from a StarsPA group chat of mine that show just how bewildered I was by the stakes/line ups he was playing and just how many tough spots I always found myself in v him in 3b and 4b pots.




Your first screenshot is from February, which is well before the new GTOWizard solver was released in July. Are you suggesting that he was cheating back then?
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10-20-2023 , 07:34 AM
he has cheated in basically every way of every game he has played... ever
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10-21-2023 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Slugant
he has cheated in basically every way of every game he has played... ever
gotta respect that
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10-21-2023 , 06:08 PM
This is somewhat disturbing because it's clear that even PS doesn't have any protection against RTA. Well,eventually they will since the issue is widespread, but it still very disturbing.
Dunno whether it is even worse than the time PS let BOTs play 27M hands
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10-21-2023 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Heavy Mask
This is somewhat disturbing because it's clear that even PS doesn't have any protection against RTA. Well,eventually they will since the issue is widespread, but it still very disturbing.
Dunno whether it is even worse than the time PS let BOTs play 27M hands
GTO Wizard won't do anything because they know if they add a delay, someone else will replace them and offer RTA. Scummy from all angles.
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10-21-2023 , 07:15 PM
First of all, awesome nick

I wasn't talking about GTOw protection, the fair play check is just a joke, it will caught the players that don't cheat effectively. So GTOw seems they care, but in reality, what matter the most, actively running fair play check when you upload hands, won't be deployed anytime soon.

Rooms need to deploy their own tools and they can massively reduce workloads by just checking the winners
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10-22-2023 , 09:26 AM
So how does a site combat this? Hook into GTOw themselves and just run every hand in real time against the players to see how close they are matched? Then what, players just start deviating in inconsequential ways to throw detection off?
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10-22-2023 , 07:16 PM
As has already been said that is just the stupidest way to cheat. Rooms should refer to ''physical'' patterns of play such as mouse movements, any mouse pauses and compare them with the average and then see if there are any anomalies.

GGpoker i think is one of those rooms that has an anti-cheating security system that works this way. They themselves have publicly stated that they can detect any kind of RTA. And the tables seem secure at the moment.

Probably stars and other rooms detect cheaters mostly under player reporting, and not everyone will be as stupid as this player
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10-22-2023 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RNGbluff
As has already been said that is just the stupidest way to cheat. Rooms should refer to ''physical'' patterns of play such as mouse movements, any mouse pauses and compare them with the average and then see if there are any anomalies.

GGpoker i think is one of those rooms that has an anti-cheating security system that works this way. They themselves have publicly stated that they can detect any kind of RTA.
I don't want to give any ideas but I can think of at least one (obvious) way of circumventing this.
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10-23-2023 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by GranAutismo
I don't want to give any ideas but I can think of at least one (obvious) way of circumventing this.

Of course it is not the solution that solves everything. However by adding up the fair play of wizard, making it more difficult to utilizze second pc, having access to the screen and hardware of the pc where the poker room is running, database with player stats compared to gto patterns and of course snap confiscation + ban from live circuits to those caught cheating, a little bit you start to LIMIT the problem. I think if ggpoker at the moment is the safest room in this sense its because of many small tricks like these
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10-23-2023 , 10:26 AM
Poker sites will never get away with running kernel level hardware monitoring.
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10-25-2023 , 11:36 AM
It's amazing he not only had the balls to do this but also in the process be such a prick and unlikeable human being in the games themselves with his trash talking and name calling. Clearly an all-around gem of an individual.
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10-25-2023 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 0NoobiePoker0
It's amazing he not only had the balls to do this but also in the process be such a prick and unlikeable human being in the games themselves with his trash talking and name calling. Clearly an all-around gem of an individual.
I feel cheaters are just wired differently, it's why they always get caught. I could probably successfully rob a bank, but I never will because I'm smart. The guy who does rob a bank will get caught, because he's dumb.
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10-25-2023 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
I feel cheaters are just wired differently, it's why they always get caught. I could probably successfully rob a bank, but I never will because I'm smart. The guy who does rob a bank will get caught, because he's dumb.
Yeah in video games the blatant cheaters are often extremely toxic. I think it’s just all part of the personality of not giving a **** about anyone but yourself and deriving some false sense of self worth from the success they gain from cheating. Their need to cheat to win and boast about it stems from insecurity.
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10-25-2023 , 02:57 PM


It's important to remember that Cameron Lane is and has been a cheat. He was hoping to transition into the bigger live games around the Pittsburgh area. So if you see this cheat at the table, be aware, be sure to tell other people in the game, and even the floor should know too.

I didnt bother to check the 1/2 hands but found 2/5 cheating as many other regs in the pool. Disgusting to know that this blatant cheating was happening at lower limits too for seemingly a much longer time.

No one has heard notice of decision or received refunds yet as far as I am aware.
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10-25-2023 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
I feel cheaters are just wired differently, it's why they always get caught. I could probably successfully rob a bank, but I never will because I'm smart. The guy who does rob a bank will get caught, because he's dumb.

Not real familiar with crime statistics if you think most robberies get solved.
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10-25-2023 , 04:27 PM
He's surfaced on ACR
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10-25-2023 , 04:32 PM
Awesome, GTOw has partnered with ACR, let's see whether it changes something, I hope but I'm not positive about it
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10-25-2023 , 06:42 PM
OP just mentioned PokerstarsPA and WSOPPA. I am assuming he will now start accounts on BetMGMPA/BorgataPA if didn't have them already.
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10-26-2023 , 11:52 AM
This bums me out. I'm a 1K/2K reg on Borgata and WSOP PA. I've definitely played with PureLegacy, probably OP as well. I think I'm done playing the cash games for a while. There's no incentive for the sites to combat this. It's likely a very difficult problem to solve and there's very little incentive for the sites since they are probably making way more money off the table games and slots. Poker is an after thought unfortunately.

Really sucks because I can't get to the casino that often and online is basically my main option. Solvers are destroying poker it seems.

Last edited by BeLikeWater; 10-26-2023 at 11:54 AM. Reason: rewording
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10-26-2023 , 02:07 PM
Not too familiar with the poker community, but I know pure/cam from starcraft and he is one of the strangest people you will ever meet, met him IRL in 3 different phases of his life. He’s a nice guy in person and outside of “competitive” atmospheres but something about him is off; you can’t quite explain it. Dude was clearly elite in starcraft and always got himself in trouble by saying dumb things/doing morally questionable things, and it seems to have followed him into poker. I personally never thought he was cheating in starcraft after his initial ban in 2015, but every move he’s made since then has been a net neutral at best and mostly negative in the public eye, always gets in his own way despite a ton of talent and strong work ethic. Hopefully he can take out the negative aspects of his personality/personal issues in life. The worst part is he doesn't even need to resort to cheating or doing anything stupid it's a shame. He’s honestly a few moves from either going to jail or becoming ultra successful with unfortunately nothing in between. Hopefully this is the final wakeup call he needs.

Last edited by seychellios; 10-26-2023 at 02:13 PM.
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10-30-2023 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Doe
So what's stopping someone from railing and solving certain player's hands and getting him in trouble?
I was thinking the same thing.
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10-30-2023 , 11:00 AM
I have suspected this guy of RTAing for awhile now. The guy is insufferable in chat and very full of himself, which is kind of ironic now.

I am actually slightly up against him in a small sample size, but I would be interested to see if there is any compensation for other players should he be found guilty by PS.
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10-30-2023 , 02:07 PM
So he found a glitch. I understand the frustration but in all honesty guys are still gonn play against him even with this info.
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10-30-2023 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Doe
So what's stopping someone from railing and solving certain player's hands and getting him in trouble?
I think GTO Wizard knows whose account was logged in and looked up the hand.
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