I think there might be another reason the majority lose money

Do tell!

Sort of happy with PS taking an L here. GG still does not offer HU cash though. Just do it already...

Everyone over the last 6 years: "all we need is a low-rake site with great rakeback and the industry will boom again. Also F Dnegs and F Bilzerian."

GG: Does the opposite. Becomes market leader.

Everyone "..."

i mean they do give better rb than stars evan if they have higher rake u still end up paying less rake, i dont get ur point.

Stars hasn't been a pro friendly site since the end of 2015. Players are capped to 4 tables and pros are getting 2% rb. Their business model has also changed from trying to grow poker to trying to convert poker players to casino players. Poker traffic has continued to decline.

GG's effective rake all things considered is actually lower than Stars for many games and you have guys 12 tabling for leaderboards. They also seem to have softened their stance on banning winners to some degree so on the whole, I don't think GG are any more anti-reg than Stars at least over the last couple of years.

GG have done a really good job with the software but the primary reason for their growth which I would have thought was obvious is that they have access to the Chinese/Asian markets. You can see this clearly if you just look through the lobby. The games run around Asian recs. They have more room to grow there and are still only scratching the surface. Back in the Pokermaster days, you have would have 2-3x more games running at mid-highstakes than all the regulated platforms put together.

FYP

I'd be happy to play on Party if they'd have sufficient traffic. They have great promos. Doesn't seem to interest too many players though especially the ones you'd be happy playing against, so why is that?

a silly question because i dont know much about legal stuff.. but if GG can allow chinese/asian markets, what is stopping stars from doing the same?

who do you think stars is owned by, angels? fool

Stars accepted Chinese players up until recently. They also had dealings with at least one of the Chinese Apps (Red Dragon). They never really invested much in driving growth there and the alternatives were probably easier for Chinese players to get money onto.

Stars/Flutter stopped serving the Chinese market as they feared it would would jeopardise their US ambitions. I'm not sure what loopholes GG use but from what I can see there is little stopping any operator from setting up shop in the Philippines and serving a world market.

Sucks that when u do that u can't offer the games in Philippines itself

Not only pros are getting 2%.Even 2% is high at this moment.For example,i have negative rakeback and even that rakeback is unusable,because i am getting chest with tickets i dont need and dont play(0.25 cents spins or weekly freerolls).I have a 2% deposit's fee and 1% withdrawal fee at their exchange rate.Not even deposits bonuses or some good challenges.They had that Neymar challenge but all i got was skipping chest
They did a hell of a good jobs in recent year and i guess investors,CEO pr the board are more than happy with all these changes.

Mate you need to buy a keaboard with space. And rofl to negative rb. You understand that it's not negative when you don't lose anything right? Deposit / withdrawal fees are most likely a regulation issue so rofl to that allso.

Wasn't the World Series of Poker events in 2020 on GG? If so, that probably was a huge help in exposure.

exactly.. ive thought about it again, and i stand by my original comment.

You have a company that one day, whether you have $500 or 20k in your account. You could find they have just shut your account AND arent giving you your money back.

That one reason alone, makes Party the better option to play on.

Also.. these people seem to forget that Party will 1 day upgrade their software, they will be forced to improve it. Then youll have the best of both worlds! A good, secure, trustworthy site, combined with superb software.

ngl can't wait for it

I have no idea what stakes and games they can play as a pro but get .25c chests as well. Lowest chest is .42c for a bronze chest, black chest is $42. If you're putting even ok volume in sngs or cash, you'll be at black chests. Playing 1/2 I clear 1-2 black chests a session.

I've had *mostly* 20,000 point black chests of late but I have also had them be 25,000 as well as 35,000 and 335,000. When I get the 335k I go to gg or party for the month and don't *****.

If you're a pro and rakeback is really important to you paying the bills, go where you get the best deal. Simple as that. No site owes you ****.

Never heard of GG. LMAO.

the end game for all sites is pinching pros the hardest. it's only really when you're growing your player base that you need to offer incentives to get grinders to populate the tables - once the player base is alive and well, they'd be fools not to drop the hammer.

to stars credit the rake schedule itself is very competitive and it seems like people fixate way too much on how much you get back. party is for sure better overall but for some formats it's close.

ie:

heads up limit cash rake 2 to 3% (depending on stakes) cap 50c on stars up to 10/20, and 5% cap 1$ on party across the board. it's like you're getting about 50% rakeback automatically.

for small stakes nl and pl cash the cap is 2 on stars vs 3 on party. the cap is not as impactful so it ends up mattering less and party is better priced overall, but it's not as much of a blowout as you'd think especially if you're not putting in exceptionally high volume.

yeah sure David, everyone thought lower rake could lead to another boom

They've already had a long as time to upgrade their software to their competitors standards but they're still nowhere near PS or GG in that regard.

no they are not what are u talking about, they have huge debts also

imagine if poker had a comunity, at this point galfond website would have been number 1 by far annd everyone would be happy with a nice rakeback and low rake, but why support that site, lets all support multibilion dollar corporations

I've never played at GGpoker. How is MTT traffic and rake there?