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Old 08-20-2019, 12:49 PM   #126
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I'm guessing this will be the last nail in the coffin of the FullRing games, which with the changes made in the last few years were already in steep decline.

Those who play 6max can always play 4 tables on stars and join a few tables on other sites, but the convenience of only playing in the pokerstars software will be over which may make some players change most of the action to other sites.

I'm also guessing more action will be funneled to zoom, where the winrates are smaller so it will be better overall for them.

I also don't think they are worried with the poker competition and their focus is to grow the casino games and sportsbetting which has shown increasing profit vs the poker games which they are desinvesting on.
Yes, FR100+ literally died today. Only 2 tables running in total a couple of minutes ago.
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Old 08-20-2019, 01:56 PM   #127
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its dead.. online poker is dead, game over. back to tetris
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Old 08-20-2019, 01:56 PM   #128
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Wowowow, from not being able to reply to emails to this. How long til they do the same with MTT's/SnG's?
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Old 08-20-2019, 01:59 PM   #129
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Old 08-20-2019, 02:04 PM   #130
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Cash games must really be near death for Stars and Party to be doing these drastic measures.
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Old 08-20-2019, 02:12 PM   #131
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Cash games must really be near death for Stars and Party to be doing these drastic measures.
its not.

Ask any table starter that games fill up much quicker when regs are playing compared to when 0 people are. Limit the amount of regs playing, you limit the amount of tables for recs to join. Resulting in them more likely to move to casino or bet on something where pokerstars make 100% of the money. This is just a ploy to try move customers to casino games.

Also slowly moves all regs to zoom resulting in more rake. Its another attempt for stars to get more cash, they dont give a **** about state of online poker or how "the games" are.
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Old 08-20-2019, 02:23 PM   #132
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Cash games must really be near death for Stars and Party to be doing these drastic measures.
80k players online atm

100+ entrants in each zoom pool from 1/2 and below.

5 2/5 tables
8 1/2 tables
10+ .5/1 and below running atm

this is not near death to me.

the 1c/2c NLH 6max zoom pool rakes like $200+/hr

its just pokerstars greed, lower hourly of winners, push action to other games. Then claim the reasons are ecosystem and protection of degenerate ******s, which gullible noobs on 2p2 actually believe.

way back in the day like 2007, we used to run datamines on party midstakes games. Ended up being like 10% of pool is winners and 90% is losing. top 2% were total dominators and the 98 - 90% were like breakeven to small winners. I wonder how much the numbers have changed now.

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Old 08-20-2019, 03:12 PM   #133
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invest what? most posters here have 100$ bankroll
haha so true
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Old 08-20-2019, 03:23 PM   #134
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This has long been a bending solution and fits perfectly for me. The other news was 5-max tables but it was boycotted down, and the insurance that I will heavily use on my way up and preferably at zoom also though I am not aiming to dominantly shot the zoom tables the first time around.

I have just got good news on politics also when it comes to economics and I am quite puzzled as I have for my whole life got used to things not being right.

Still waiting for a HUD for Android and iOS (iPad). Grinding with a PC and HUD at this time, as w/o a HUD, I seem to break even at zoom and lose at regular tables (to a 100 to 200 bb/100 whale among others, wondering who got his 40k -- I checked him out).

Will celebrate after I get out of the hole and get a chance to successfully shot higher with the insurance support, that's another impressive help.

Wasting my time at this time as I learn nothing at my current limit. Played MTTs lately that didn't go well either but at my favourite site a second place. Waiting for the WCOOP (and so on) as I usually play MTTs only one day a week otherwise.

Will add live cash and tourney play back into my schedule at some point, feeling stuck online at this time. But technically, things look much better now.

Full ring tables as cash going out of fashion looks good to me but Stars.com has enough NLH tables either way and PLO isn't played full ring, it seems. The live games are full ring but my online full ring PLO experience was that of nuts on every street and it isn't much of a MTT-format either (nor are the stupid turbos).
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Old 08-20-2019, 04:17 PM   #135
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This is ridiculous. 4 tables is ridiculous .
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Old 08-20-2019, 04:27 PM   #136
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I feel like a grown man not wanting to move out of his parents house, while the parents keep making it more difficult to stay.
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Old 08-20-2019, 04:51 PM   #137
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For a Pro this is horrible news and rightly so.

For a rec this is potentially good news, as they don't have to worry about being preyed on being the "Fish", as there are only so many tables the pro can now play to find them. Although, this may lead the rec to play other games where only the house wins due to maybe getting bored of cash games.

Overall, Stars wins. Recs that have money to blow for entertainment value will not be bothered. The western world pros still left, will perhaps suffer a slow painful end to their poker income stream with next to nothing rakeback and reduced hourly from the cut tables.

As for the nitty eastern european grinders and russians prepared to grind for a low wage; no clue.

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Old 08-20-2019, 05:19 PM   #138
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Why is MTT not affected? I assume they want everyone playing zoom?
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Old 08-20-2019, 05:21 PM   #139
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Old 08-20-2019, 06:11 PM   #140
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for mixed games this will cause a lot less games to run as there aren't enough people to open sit the lobby. This will actually hurt stars. Maybe an exception for opensitting can be made.
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Old 08-20-2019, 06:12 PM   #141
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re: PokerStars to limit multi-tabling at cash games to six tables (now four)

Lower win rates at Zoom
No table cap at Zoom
Limited game selection at Zoom
More hands/hr at Zoom

End of an era

Hurts new regular games starting, those who open sit will stop open sitting once they have 4 games and won't be able to open sit across multiple limits once you have games going. Surprised this wasn't done sooner.

Surprised they allow regular tables to exist all together. Surprised they haven't raised the rake as well. It could be much much worse. The evolution of online poker is well underway, the strategies for winning at poker have to be adjusted and expectations have to be changed. The opportunity to improve/change your strategy & actually win more money is out there. It's up to you to turn these type of OMG FML moments into blessings in disguise. There are plenty of other options out there on the internet to play poker, some safe, some not, some super shady, some moderately shady - some will have to learn how to navigate this world outside Pokerstars if they want to continue being professional poker players. This is also an opportunity to explore options outside of the poker world - they are abundant in opportunity.

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Old 08-20-2019, 06:14 PM   #142
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Old 08-20-2019, 06:24 PM   #143
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4 TABLES? WTF? How the hell am I going to reach SNE and earn the big bucks with .... er never mind, carry on.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:09 PM   #144
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They're getting a lot of negative backlash on this. A six table cap seems like a reasonable compromise and most players wouldn't have too big of an issue. As things stand, regs will be forced to mix zoom with reg tables as zoom gets comparatively worse and its just going to be a mess. Hopefully they can reconsider this one.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:15 PM   #145
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Wonder if we will see swathes of cash pros migrate to MTTs due to this news.

Wonder if MTTs are inherently protected from this type of restriction. They couldn't, could they?
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:20 PM   #146
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Why are people championing 6 tables lol? im no mass tabler by any stretch but i still find it funny to see people champion limitations and make the game harder

also lol at those shaming 'bumhunters' whatever that means. every single time the fish leave the table it's always 1-2 rounds from closing. i really wonder where are all those brave regs battling each other to the death. probably shitposting on 2p2. Almost as dumb as the 'no huds' crowd. you have 2% rakeback, tougher competition than ever and the rake is as high as ever and yet youre still there trying to **** yourself even more keep it up guys

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Old 08-20-2019, 08:52 PM   #147
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Why are people championing 6 tables lol? im no mass tabler by any stretch but i still find it funny to see people champion limitations and make the game harder

also lol at those shaming 'bumhunters' whatever that means. every single time the fish leave the table it's always 1-2 rounds from closing. i really wonder where are all those brave regs battling each other to the death. probably shitposting on 2p2. Almost as dumb as the 'no huds' crowd. you have 2% rakeback, tougher competition than ever and the rake is as high as ever and yet youre still there trying to **** yourself even more keep it up guys
I'm not championing a 6 table limit. I'd rather it be higher but they're clearly set on reducing the cap. Maybe a very small chance that they compromise a bit on this one.
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:05 PM   #148
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Wonder if MTTs are inherently protected from this type of restriction. They couldn't, could they?
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Why is MTT not affected? I assume they want everyone playing zoom?
Don't give them ideas.

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Lower win rates at Zoom
No table cap at Zoom
Limited game selection at Zoom
More hands/hr at Zoom

End of an era


Surprised they allow regular tables to exist all together. Surprised they haven't raised the rake as well. It could be much much worse.
Too true

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They're getting a lot of negative backlash on this. Hopefully they can reconsider this one.
Can hope!
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Old 08-20-2019, 10:10 PM   #149
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re: PokerStars to limit multi-tabling at cash games to six tables (now four)

Zoom was already tough to beat and now we get alot new regs and 0 new fish. Lower stakes with insane rake might actually be unbeatable now...
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Old 08-20-2019, 10:45 PM   #150
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Wont winrates increase as pros cant respawning themselves over every table at a specific limit?

Bovada has been using this business model for years fairly successfully.

Regs now just have to play across more sites.
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