It seems PokerStars will finally launch this fun variant.

No other details yet.

'Fusion' another PokerStars novelty gets a new update so we might soon see Fusion in the client.



https://pokerfuse.com/news/poker-roo...next-new-game/

So, short deck poker.

I believe these games will be tough because there are many Eastern European regs who have experience with iPoker's 6+ but are lacking NL50+ traffic there (and on Pokerdom too, I think) and will try Stars out just to play higher unless Stars' rules of 6+ are very different from iPoker's.

Must... keep... flogging... dead... horse

this is the only one of their new introductions that is good imo. the game induces action, even more than plo, and has a pretty strong following.

they will prob rake it at 5% and make it unbeatable for all but the top autists, so you will probably be right.

You miss the point, it's yet another holdem variant. Why do they keep creating new spins on the same dull games when they could actively promote actual interesting forms of poker which they already have on their site? FTP used to do this all the time, how much would it cost them to have a Stud/8 week with an extra 3.50% superhappychestcoins on that game? 3.50% of **** all isn't a lot of marketing budget

They should bring 6c plo from ftp. People actually asked for that. Not this high raked crap that nobody cares. Well until now because shortdeck might actually make it.

This isn't like Unfold, this is them adding a brand new poker variant that people already play in the real world. Like when they added 5-Card PLO and Courchevel.

Variety like this is good IMO. Hopefully, this will catch on.

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Oh, I see what you mean now. I'm a Stud8 player actually, and I would love that, but sadly I don't think it would be successful. People just won't play Stud 8, you can barely find a game on Stars anymore, and when you do it's usually just two or three players tops. PartyPoker's stud tab, meanwhile, is a complete ghost town.

I don't know what it is, but people just won't play cash Stud anymore. I don't think it's a good idea for them to try to revive it instead of adding a hold'em variant that's already gaining popularity and that is actively promoted by Ivey and Dwan.

What is reasonable rake for 6+ ?

I have been waiting for this for a while now!

Seems like a poker boom 2.0 game honestly.
Variation on Texas Hold'em so most know the basics( only a few hand ranking changes).
You have triton high roller series showing Ivey, Dwan, Cates, Rui Cao, Paul Phua all playing at massive stakes..

Honestly if this game format is pushed with the right marketing it could be huge. 6+ holdem is a boring name for i though...

Macau Hold'em... DONE

Now if pokerstars stuff it up (most likely with rake and bad marketing), then Run It Once would be a great place to launch this format on... big point of difference/first to market. try get Dwan and Cates as sponsored pros or Partner with Triton and their TV Coverage having people Run it Once patched up.

Anyway, a man can dream...
Looking forward to playing this format a ton.

loool

In before the Applications 2.0.

Isn’t this game way more solved than full deck? Good luck at poker boom 2.0 when refs break even and fish lose more than ever. It’ll likely be good for about 3 months of “boom” then dead(if there was a boom, which there won’t be)

The game is far less solved than nlhe simply because almost no work has been put into it, and all work has been put into nlhe. So nlhe is more solved. That said, solving 6+ would be much easier than solving nlhe due to it being less complex (or rather, have a smaller game tree), ofc. So your point is correct, but the premise is wrong. Or something.

Yeh. Thanks!

I imagine it would take pioSolvrr less than a week to sell an adjustment if it was financially worth it

I've seen scripts for short deck for pio, can't attest to their quality at all though

+1 for 3.5% rakeback for a week for stud 8 being better than introducing short deck holdem

and cancer that's cool too

i think you miss the point. people who want to play stud8 are already on there. people who want to try something "new", want something that actually is. people arent going to sign up for rakeback on an archaic game they dont know, since a)they probably dgaf about rakeback and b) dont know what they are doing even more so. if stud games have dried up before the "dull" games, maybe consider what the populous actually considers as dull?

In my experience, most people that play Stud 8 for the first time love it instantly, but it's hard for people simply give it a chance. It looks far more complex than it actually is, and getting into a new game when you're already losing at Hold'em scares most people.

But maybe the biggest obstacle for the Stud variants to attract new players is that most people don't seem to recognize it as poker at a first glance. After decades of NLH being shoved down our throats, flop games = Poker.

Is their power-up game mode really that bad? I mean it's not really poker and I don't think it's really meant to be. I think it fills a niche for some people who may not be into poker but enjoy strategy card games and playing with money on the line makes it more fun.

I understand the hate PokerStars gets, but PowerUp seems fine if you look at it from the outside.

Anyway, short deck poker tables could be pretty fun though and is an actual real game and might attract a lot of fish.

why dont stars release nlh high low?
also agree with sixfour they should promote stud, draw games more.

The big preflop sizings seem kind of silly, i understand equities run closer but guys are betting way over the pot pre.

About 17 years ago, my site offered Limit Holdem Hi-Lo (because our developers thought it was a game and built it by mistake along with the rest of the holdem and plo offered.)

We left it up for about 6 months, but it never caught on, so we dropped it eventually.

I also think pot limit hi lo games are inherently more appealing than a no limit variety of the same game.

Tell you what, if you and sixfour want to play stud and draw, both of which were at one time offered online, go ahead and offer some site that has them programmed a four-wall deal, where you will pay $X for the right to all revenue generated from those games and promote the hell out of them...... Who knows, you might be the next poker millionare ?

Probably the same thing that happens in PLO when a NLH player has AA38 rainbow. Since every card in the deck is a mid to high card in NLH, players overvalue their hands, not getting that pocket pairs are more common in this game.

I dont know how close equities run pre in short deck, but if it maxed out around 60/40 (as opposed to 80/20 in hold em) that would lead to much larger raises pre in any position other than the button. Probably >5x for 100bb stacks.

In a more extreme instance where preflop edges max out at 55/45 the optimal opening size would probably seem comically big to people accustomed to holdem. Optimal could be something like 20x opens with 100bb stacks.