Lets make a protest until they take down these games, such a bs move from ps

Amaya bought PS extremely overpriced considering that the poker boom was over when it was sold. So now they will have to trade their #1 spot for money. Hopefully others like 888 and Party will use this huge chance offered to gain market share.

I'm 80% confidence this is false.

90% of the posts in this thread are clueless regs claiming they know how recs think.

Recs don’t care the game is unbeatable (what you really mean is un grindable) They know its a lotto ticket that is hopefully fun. Which it is! Recs want fun gamble games that provide quick regular dopamine releases. Max spins provide this in spades

# Small jolt on number of players spin

# Bigger jolt when 3 possible prizes are confirmed

# ~20 hands of poker. A few fun all in moments etc

# The thrill of deciding to nit up to;/getting to the auto all in part

# Thrill of the auto all in part

# If victorious. Thrill of picking prize

^^ Tons of “fun”. Or more to the point, far more fun than getting ground down by efficient but boring {often backed} regs using multiple software aids/cheating via ghosting or HH buying etc etc in an MTT or cash games

You guys still don’t get it do you. One more time. TODAYS GAMES ARE BORING FOR RECS.

Its not exactly your "fault" as individuals but Youve ruined it, Stars are just trying to revive things/protect their investment by making the games fun again. No its not the same as 2003-2011. It never will be. See; Stables/HUDs/Too many regs/Eastern Euro reg saturation of micros etc etc

If you think poker can survive in its traditionally skill based format you are deluded. Head over to Party Poker and enjoy your shark infested “skill” games where those with the best software and/or the top 0.5% ballers will do ok while the rest of you waste your time. RIO isn't happening btw, if it does it will be like stars or it will die

This is poker now. Stars will still be the largest poker site in 2020 and it will be full of games like these. Maybe some of them will be grindable. Maybe not. But you have no one to blame but yourselves. Go Live. Or get a job. Its over.

Poker regs calling out near_elite business people as bad business people is ***** hilarious by the way.

Has anyone claimed that the game won't be fun or enjoyable for recs?

Haven't gone through every post but the vast majority I've seen are complaining that the rake for an at most 20 hand game is absurd and is now being hidden by Stars, not annoyance that recs will leave regular sngs behind

Complaining about rake is just complaining that the games are un grindable aka bad for the ecosystem aka the option for tens of thousands of grinders to make a living playing online poker

No, it's complaining that you're paying the same rake for less than 20 hands of poker that you are for normal speed tournaments and Stars is deliberately hiding that information

Play normal speed tournaments and you won't need to complain at all ?


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bumpnrun minds when customers voice concern over a price increase.

games on the other sites (888, party, ...) are super soft by the way

yeah, unfortunately there is fewer and fewer such games. just enable the filter and remove any hypers & turbos to play real poker. spread your traffic across multiple sites. at least if you play mtts. never touch any spingo or spingo max.

Nowhere near as soft as they used to be, and they are also infested with bots.

I think he's just pointing out the futility of complaining, to be fair. People have been complaining ever since the SNE fiasco and it hasn't made one shred of difference.

I'm also pointing out that the complaining is incorrect in terms of implementing strategies for the survival of poker. This sort of innovation has to happen. Regs seem to have forgotten when angsky and co were shown the data that the game is dying

+1 I don't play party but I play small-mid stakes MTT and 888 is much harder than it was 2 years ago.


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What did you expect to happen out of interest? Don't know if you follow sport but if you watch a sport match from 30 years ago and compare it to now im sure it has got alot harder as well. Its a competitive game and its only natural that people devise strategies to get better over time.

Know you like calling poker players scumbags for increasing their edge but are sports stars like Messi/Ronaldo, Ronnie O'sulliven (snooker) Phil taylor (Darts) scumbags as well for raising the standard in their respective field almost single handedly that the rest of the field has had to get better to keep up?

The piece missing from your thesis is the case for why this sort of innovation can't happen at a lower price. If it can happen at a lower price, then "clueless regs" (skip the derp, please) petitioning for a lower price seems like a reasonable strategy to me.

A reasonable strategy would be one that has a chance of being successful.

PokerStars track record in that regard would suggest that chance is about zero.

True to a point max cut... but my derping was more aimed at the "fk PokerStars they are clueless" comments

Games may well be beatable once the rec (including a good% of newbs) and good player ratio improves to 2005 type percentages


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Kind of apples and oranges. In 2005 you were probably paying 10% rake for something like 40- to 50-minute average STTs. Now it's 6.5% - 9% for 20 hands. What's that, like 4-minute average?

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Unrelated: As always, **** PokerStars & team for conning SN/E and stealing millions. Have a nice day and try not to get fooled again.

I'll take 100:1 to pick out any card you name from 20,000 decks.

Well I get that the game is dying and that certain formats nowadays take money out of the economy to quickly but their response is flawed in my opinion. Ok they introduce new game formats so that recs have more fun. I get that. But why dont they clean up their offerings as well. Get rid of the reginfested stuff. Have a look at sngs, std micro-smallstakes cg tables and other stuff and get rid of that stuff. If they think they dont owe anyone to make a living they probably dont care about the outcry afterwards. Table limit still hasnt crossed their minds yet.

Right now they widened their offerings which leads to less players in every single area of poker. In my opinion you have to cut stuff to get these players filling up the pools in the remaining games. Since they are not doing that it just shows me they actually dont care about recs. They care about their bottom line. With the new formats the recs lose the money to Stars rather than regs but they they still lose it too quickly simply there are just too many opportunities to lose it quickly. Bust a Spin or BTC and just enter next one. Be done with your monthly allowance in under an hour. Feel the rush to win big is just going after the addicts who cant stop themselves. Thats what will pokersites get in conflict with legislation rather sooner than later.

registered just to respond...
when you play 3$ buy in lottery... and win... and you have 3 choices 7$ 141$ 399$ and the payout button 171$ (not 100% sure, but the numbers are something around that)...
and you already saw plenty of times winner is getting less then the second place, what would you do?!?
i didnt notice payout button cause its only avaliable if you hit a jackpot and i was playing on my mobile for fun, so i was gambling and get the biggest one... was like 143 111 and 65... and probably i would gamble again if i have those numbers but when i saw the first example (was 3rd on that one and got 35$) i was like WTF...
the field is insanily soft... in small ones ppl will go all in 25bbs first hand with almost any two when they see 4$ 4$ 7$ (3$ buyin)... but when they see a jackpot they will tightening up... and bunch of times you will bubble in all in mode with the biggest stack cause its 5 way...
the worst part is the prizepool is **** in 80% of the games...
ah no... the worst part is you get 1$ spin and go max ticket and 33 coins from the chest after you rake 30+$

i dont know how this works... total garbage payouts, 3 players, 24 hands... jackpot, 7 players, 18 hands...

well the same question can be asked for a classical spin and goes too...
in theory you can play only one spin and get a jackpot... and never play them again... other games have lower EV cause you were lucky... slotmachines m8...

That's just not true.

Lul